2019 under 20's
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@Canes4life said in 2019 under 20's:
No Billy Proctor, maybe he has been called back into the Canes squad...
Maybe he is not good enough to warrant making the match day 23? Having said that Mr. Philpott has made some rather mysterious selections in his lineups starting right from his first NPC Head Coach appointment.
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@Higgins so those who have Super Rugby experience get selected behind those who don't. Makes total sense
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@Canes4life Nanai-Seturo was selected. How much Super has Proctor actually played though? Nanai-Seturo has a reasonable amount for a rookie.
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@Yeetyaah One or two games for Canes and he played for the 20s last year which would make him one of the more experienced in the squad. Surely you go with experience when you have very little across the squad.
I hope I'm right in the fact he's coming back to the Canes for injury cover after what looks like a season ending injury to his bro.
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Super Rugby squad selectors are different to/indepoendent of NZ Under 20s selectors so obviously there must a difference of opinion over the relative ranking of players in this instance. Has Billy Proctor actually had any on field Super Rugby experience rather than simply full time training in a professional rugby environment? He seems to spend an awful lot more time playing club rugby than most others with full super rugby contracts.
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@Higgins said in 2019 under 20's:
Super Rugby squad selectors are different to/indepoendent of NZ Under 20s selectors so obviously there must a difference of opinion over the relative ranking of players
From what I saw in the warm up games against Fiji and Australia, Billy Proctor makes this squad in his sleep. Maybe it's a case of not playing the best players against the weaker teams.
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@Canes4life said in 2019 under 20's:
@Yeetyaah One or two games for Canes and he played for the 20s last year which would make him one of the more experienced in the squad. Surely you go with experience when you have very little across the squad.
I hope I'm right in the fact he's coming back to the Canes for injury cover after what looks like a season ending injury to his bro.
The FoxSports website detailing player's super rugby experience has Billy Proctor listed as having played one super rugby match clocking up a total of one minute of experience. You will see him listed as player number 564 on page 29 for conformation (right or wrong?) of this. If this is correct then he has, for all intents and purposes nil super rugby playing experience.
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@Higgins 13 games of NPC, been in and around Super Rugby and played for the team last year. You say he might not be good enough, but a 5 year Super Rugby contract says he makes the squad all day, every day.
Like I said, I will welcome him back into the Canes if Philpott continues to butcher our World Cup chances, no wonder we got a hiding from Australia.
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Is that 8 forwards on the bench and no backs? Do the trial substitution laws apply?
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@Canes4life A five year contract does not seem to se him "make the squad "all day, every day" for the Hurricanes.
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@Higgins said in 2019 under 20's:
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@Canes4life said in 2019 under 20's:
@Yeetyaah One or two games for Canes and he played for the 20s last year which would make him one of the more experienced in the squad. Surely you go with experience when you have very little across the squad.
I hope I'm right in the fact he's coming back to the Canes for injury cover after what looks like a season ending injury to his bro.
The FoxSports website detailing player's super rugby experience has Billy Proctor listed as having played one super rugby match clocking up a total of one minute of experience. You will see him listed as player number 564 on page 29 for conformation (right or wrong?) of this. If this is correct then he has, for all intents and purposes nil super rugby playing experience.
Yep, Billy Proctor came on in the 81st minute of the Waratahs v Hurricanes game. He was also named in the reserves for the Sunwolves v Hurricanes game, but never came off the bench.
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@Higgins The guy is 20 years old, he's in the Hurricanes environment to learn from the likes of his brother before he is ready to make the step up, so no he doesn't make that squad all day. every day.
Under 20s is a different story - he is competing with a bunch of guys his own age (the majority of who have significantly less experience than him). It's odd that you think he isn't good enough to be there. Maybe you've been hanging out with Philpott too much.
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@Canes4life Billy Proctor is good enough; he just has to wait his turn. I'm surprised you still don't know how it works in U20s tournaments. Every player gets game time; rotation etc etc. The best players in their position will only get picked ahead of their competitors in the finals.
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@Stargazer I never mentioned Proctor shouldn't be there instead of Tupaea, I'm saying he should be atleast in that 23, I also said maybe they aren't risking him against the weaker teams in an earlier post, so yes I do know how the Under 20s works.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in 2019 under 20's:
I can't find TV coverage anywhere? maybe online?
New Zealand Under-20s v Georgia Under-20s, Club de Rugby Ateneo Inmaculada, Santa Fe, 4am, Wednesday, June 5.
New Zealand Under-20s: 1.Oliver Norris, 2.Kianu Kereru-Symes, 3.Fletcher Newell, 4.Cullen Grace, 5.Taine Plumtree, 6.Samipeni Finau, 7.Kohan Herbert, 8.Devan Flanders, 9.Leroy Carter, 10.Rivez Reihana, 11.Leicester Fainga'anuku, 12.Dallas McLeod, 13.Quinn Tupaea, 14.Etene Nanai-Seturo, 15.Cole Forbes.Substitutes: 16.Shilo Klein, 17.George Dyer, 18.Kaliopasi Uluilakepa, 19.Tamati Williams, 20.Tupou Va'ai, 21.Kaylum Boshier, 22.Jeriah Mua, 23.Simon Parker
Georgia Under-20s: 1.Nika Gvaladze, 2.Luka Nioradze, 3.Luka Azariashvili, 4.Vakhtang Jincharadze, 5.Luka Gelashvili, 6.Ioseb Gusharashvili, 7.Koba Kolotauri, 8.Beka Koriauli, 9.Mikheil Alania, 10.Tedo Abzhandadze (Cap), 11.Kote Marjanishvili, 12.Givi Tsintsadze, 13.Demur Tapladze, 14.Zura Kavtaradze, 15.Temur Chichinadze
Substitutes: 16.Vano Karkadze, 17.Zaur Tevdorashvili, 18.Gia Kharaishvili, 19.Ioane Iashagashvili, 20.Tariel Gvimradze, 21.Giorgi Margalitadze, 22.Alexandre Margiani, 23.Lasha Lomidze, 24.Irakli Simsive, 25.Otar Lashkhi, 26.Paata Burchuladze, 27.Dachi Papunashvili, 28.Luka Chelidze
@ARHS said in 2019 under 20's:
Is that 8 forwards on the bench and no backs? Do the trial substitution laws apply?
Looking at those squads, the Georgians have a bench of 13 players, in line with the new (trial) rules for U20s. I suspect they have just forgotten to include the players with the jersey numbers 24 to 28 on the NZ bench, because maybe their website person isn't aware of those new rules (assuming the NZ coaches aren't that stupid)? So @Canes4life beloved Billy Proctor may still be on the bench.
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I assume Georgia will pack a decent scrum. is there a chance we could belly up against these guys..?
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