Stormers v Crusaders
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@Chris To be fair, one of the reasons people become rugby referees is because it's not rocket science.
"Ground control to Marius, you've missed your re-entry window by 40,000 kilometres!"
Marius to Ground control, "I don't understand. I've been very keffle with my kalkulation".
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@KiwiMurph said in Stormers v Crusaders:
If a Stormer threw that pass and it wasn't called forward there would be a meltdown on here. It went two metres forward.
That last high tackle he hit him on the chin.
The real crime was why the hell didn't the Crusaders take the 3 right on halftime. Turning down 3 and going for a lineout drive after the hooter was super dumb and high risk. Same error the Blues made last week.
Bloody good crowd. A real atmosphere.
You'd hope there wasn't.
It was clearly back relative to the passer.
It's not rocket science, but it is physics.
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@KiwiMurph Now now don't ruin the mood, it's the cool thing to do to blame the officials on this forum. I thought the pass was ok but shit happens, move on and still, the Crusaders had plenty of time to wrap the game up regardless of that call.
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@African-Monkey is a difference between blaming an official and calling them out when they are blatantly wrong, which some people dont think we should do...people can abuse players for playing rubbish, but not officials.
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@taniwharugby said in Stormers v Crusaders:
@African-Monkey is a difference between blaming an official and calling them out when they are blatantly wrong, which some people dont think we should do...people can abuse players for playing rubbish, but not officials.
Yeah agree, refs should be a protected species on the field, and everyone should respect that, but this is a forum and they're fair game to cop the shit the players cop.
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@taniwharugby We'll agree to disagree. Don't get me wrong they're human and make howlers at times but I feel that it's a cop out to blame them a lot of the time when personally I'd rather focus on what the players/coaches are doing wrong instead.
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@African-Monkey Which is influenced by the incompetent. officials
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@African-Monkey so you are ok with pointing out what players/coaches do wrong, but not officials?
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I could put this in the Highlanders thread too...
The astonishing numbers behind South African refereeing that paint an ugly picture
While the standard of officiating in South Africa is doing little to improve the perception of bias, SANZAAR could eliminate this by ensuring neutral refs are employed for non-conference fixtures whilst also ensuring that ex-players can't ref their old teams.
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@Machpants A rather damming Article. you could also as far as terrible Referring performances add Pickerall and O'Keefe who have been highlighted as being Shit this year and the standard of officials this season has been shocking.
I would hate to see The SR or WC Finals decided by these incompetent muppets,Or Some Northern Hempishere muppets the French officials come to mind. -
@SammyC said in Stormers v Crusaders:
Scott Barrett totally dominated physically and at set piece by etzebeth, he’s never going to be big enough to be a dominant international lock.
We missed Reads presence from last week, Whetu Douglas and Romano showed good physicality when they came on. I think Douglas has surpassed Taufua as our best 6.
They probably should have started Douglas at 8 when Read pulled out - simply to give us a bit more height in the lineout.
I think Read's been the world's best third lineout option for a number of years and it's easy to take the work he does there for granted. Whitelock, Read and Scott Barrett is a pretty useful jumping unit - especially if there's a 'decent fourth jumping option playing blindside - e.g. Douglas.
But, Barrett, Blackadder, Todd and Taufua are lacking height compared to those big Jaapie units.
I think the only steal we got was Whitelock late in the game- when Romano was on and Barrett had gone to blindside. A bit more height pressure.
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Just seen the so called forward pass leading up to the Sevu Reece try..to me it was not clear and obvious..Saders can feel very hard done by..TMO had already made his mind up.
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@taniwharugby Yeah tbh. Take the refs out of the equation bydominating your opponents in the first place.
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@African-Monkey said in Stormers v Crusaders:
@taniwharugby Yeah tbh. Take the refs out of the equation bydominating your opponents in the first place.
See to me that is a bit of a cop out.
So what happens when two teams that are evenly matched and play to their ability and it’s a close contest? The ref is still very much part of the game still.
Anyway in relation to this game there weren’t many opportunities for either side with both bringing a strong defensive game. Lots of errors from both sides and it felt like a playoff game.
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Garbage calls. Both the 'forward pass' and 'high tackle' late in the game. Absolute horse shit.
That aside, the Stormers are dross and er should have beaten them up as we did the Bulls. Etzebeth, the other lock, D'Allende and the skipper are their only class played. Shitsoff is borderline.
Bah.
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@African-Monkey but we want close contests dont we, rather than one side dominating the other, meaning we want to not notice the officials and have the game swing on players under pressure or moments of brilliance from players or the team, not moments where the officials are so wrong it determines the outcome of the game.
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@Chris said in Stormers v Crusaders:
@Stargazer Jonker does not know or understand the Law that makes a forward pass a forward pass if anyone thinks the Ennor pass to Reece was forward you are a complete idiot and have know idea what constitutes a Forward pass.
Whilst I mostly agree with the point, I got a wee smile out of the incorrect grammar when calling people idiots 😊
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I think WC year is disruptive for everyone, with certain players being rested, others wanting and needing to be match fit, injury ravages some - while others desperate to break in to the national team will take every opportunity to show what skills they have to offer.
Analysis is king. Sometimes we can over-analyse as well. We don't know to what extent coaches have been "told" to hold players back / to not show any array of tactics . We also are not privy to what tactics coaches have developed / are developing for the WC. I think NZ in recent WC years has held back and tended to play a more conservative brand of rugby.
I just hope we get all our players match-fit and firing come October-November.
