Blues 2019
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@Kirwan said in Blues 2019:
Wouldn’t it have been quicker to just say you don’t have any examples?
Tana at the squad announcement literally says both Jed Brown and Levi Aumua were selected due to Leon.
If you think contracts are doled out solely by the head coach with no collaboration with the assistants in 2019 then I think the onus is on you to give examples of that. That's pretty much how professional rugby has worked in NZ for the past two decades - much more collaborative.
First year coach for sure, but had more of a say than almost any other first year coach aside from internal replacements.
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It's been widely known Leon MacDonald had very little say in the squad.
A 3rd string openside and a 5th string midfielder are your examples?
Tom Coventry was interviewed after the Harbour-Auckland game and made it clear there were very few open spots available for the new coaches coming in.
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@KiwiMurph That's the thing.
You can look at the new players in the squad and assume that Coventry would mainly have had the assistant's say in selecting the forwards, Leon would mainly have had the assistant's say in selecting the backs.
Four new ones in the backs - Plummer, Aumua, Taleá and Nonu.
Aumua has Leon's recommendation written all over him. Nonu has Tana's stamp. Plummer was a pretty obvious pick after the NPC. In the backs, probably the only significant guy the Blues missed on this year was Tumua Manu and given recent history, you can't blame him for choosing the Chiefs. (Jed Brown doubtless came up from Ta$man on Leon's recommendation).
In the forwards, I think Abel and Olmstead were the principal guys I would have wanted to sign and there wasn't space for Abel - not sure why Olmstead didn't get a spot, maybe because he is Canadian.
Bad news is that I think the recruitment gains that the Blues can make in terms of personnel in 2020 are likely to be pretty marginal, because there's going to be a post-RWC clean out at all the franchises and I'm not sure who all the miraculous replacement players are going to be. There will be a handful of promising new kids putting their hands up, but demand is surely going to exceed supply. Levi Aumua and Jed Brown are good examples of what was left in the cupboard for the Blues to choose from last year.
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues 2019:
It's been widely known Leon MacDonald had very little say in the squad.
A 3rd string openside and a 5th string midfielder are your examples?
Is it widely known? We have a quote in the press of MacDonald saying he had minimal say and Tana in the press saying he picked two guys on Leon's recommendation (who you don't seem to rate too much which doesn't particularly bode well).
He is a first year coach and you inherit a squad, so yes you don't start with a blank slate. The appointment timing in November was unusual, but as I've pointed out before (and the Coventry interview you mention backs up) recruiting is largely done and dusted before ITM Cup season - so regardless if Rangi was appointed in July (which is traditional for non internal appointments) or November the change to the squad was minimal - especially considering he got two of his boys in with input on others I'm sure as part of the panel.
Even 10 weeks into Super Rugby it's tough to see what available players Tana missed on last year that MacDonald would have secured? Manu is the biggest miss? OK.
This isn't a situation like where Kirwan took over and senior pros like Woodcock were refusing to resign or where Umaga had to take over after future internationals Fekitoa, Naholo and Anscombe had been delisted (and management had not been proactive enough in working with the NZRU to potentially keep Luatua or Piatau).
Are we supposed to give shit to Rangi for not recruiting Mo'unga to move to the Blues on the contract he just signed? We have to deal in reality and with the players that are genuinely available.
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Some people will believe some of what the coach says to the media but not other stuff...
I really struggle to believe Leon had zero say in any players contracted last year.
Blues would have known early on what was happening (neg for him to take over as head coach likely initiated pretty early) so I expect any potential new signings last year would have had input of Leon, maybe not final say but I'd be very surprised if he was against someone they went ahead and signed him anyway or was adamant he wanted someone they'd have completely ignored it.
I have my doubts even as dysfunctional as the Blues organisation is, that they'd let Tana make sole decisions on signings with Leon in the wings to take over.
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@rotated said in Blues 2019:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues 2019:
Even 10 weeks into Super Rugby it's tough to see what available players Tana missed on last year that MacDonald would have secured? Manu is the biggest miss? OK.
3 more off the top of my head.
Hooker
Halfback
Anyone but Collins -
That question was disingenuous because it ignores the damage already done. It's not as though everyone comes off contract and then gets re-signed every year.
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@Duluth said in Blues 2019:
That question was disingenuous because it ignores the damage already done. It's not as though everyone comes off contract and then gets re-signed every year.
Not saying that, simply saying MacDonald is a first year coach unlike any other, if he took over in July or November the squad would be the same.
As for Umaga I'm not sure what his major recruitment blunders were? I don't see any future ABs or even strong Super Rugby performers that slipped through his fingers?
I guess year two of his tenure is a big one for MacDonald as year one he has no responsibility and after three years "the damage is already done". Needs to make some big signings in the coming weeks and I look forward to seeing them.
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@KiwiMurph Nock wasnt signed last year until almost end of M10 Cup...while I still think he has all the skills, something just ain't right with him mentally...I think Kitto would have been a better option given Nocks history with blues
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2019:
while I still think he has all the skills, something just ain't right with him mentally
At the very least Nock should be playing consistently well for Northland by now. Instead he has a game where he looks shit hot followed by flat games with dumb mistakes
This is his fourth year of pro rugby. He still seems like a rookie
I'd rather the Blues actually pick a rookie next year. It's better than hoping the 5th year will be Nocks year
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hmm Crusaders or Blues..... yeah he won't be moving anytime soon.
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