Blues 2019
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@nzzp well maybe not specifically Leon but youd have hoped guys signed at the end of M10 cup were done with his involvement.
There were several spots still open after his appointment (well given the process probably started early in 2018) last year so surely he was involved in any signings from here.
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@Canes4life said in Blues 2019:
should go after Keruru-Symes & Abel moving forward.
Being realistic, those are my two pics aswell. We need to get the best up and coming hooker into our squad ASAP.
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@Kirwan said in Blues 2019:
Well that’s good that Leon has cut him if he’s not going to play him. Hope that means we have someone lined up. Abel?
Abel would be an improvement. Career best form for Auckland in 2018 and he's mostly continued that form for the Rebels, although he is stuck behind Rangi
Leni Apisai should make the 23 ahead of Moulds for the next few weeks at least. We need to have a look to see if he's worth keeping (..he's probably not)
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@nzzp said in Blues 2019:
@Canes4life said in Blues 2019:
@nzzp fair call. You can't really call Apisai quality can yah.
A lot is going to ride on Leon's ability to get some players that he wants, and that are good or can become good. Right now it's a poorly selected squad that he's inherited
He was a part of the coaching staff that recruited this squad - particularly in the WTG. Yes Tana led the show but there is nothing to indicate he ran a dictatorship. MacDonald will have been on the Blues payroll for a year in two weeks - if he was not scouting and presenting compelling arguments for signings from day one (particularly around the fringes) then I have limited faith in his ability to do so now he has the reigns.
In both MacDonald and Umaga's defence the final year of the RWC cycle is the worst year to recruit, and the first year the best. So it will be curious to see what miracles he will be able to perform in the next two months.
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@Kirwan said in Blues 2019:
@rotated curious for any examples of other assistants that got to select squads in Super Rugby, or are you just making stuff up.
Leon clearly inherited Tana’s squad.
I don't think anyone is denying this wasn't predominantly a squad put together over Tana's tenure (although the hole at 10 is due to Kirwan releasing future 6N MVP). That is kind of the nature of professional sport where players are on multi-year contracts. But Jesus Christ I have seen caretaker coaches takeover midseason in other codes that have had this excuse used less.
Let's say MacDonald takes over as head coach early May last year (when appointed as assistant, which would be early given NZ Super history wherecoaches are dismissed at the end of the season), what moves could he have possibly made that would tangibly have made this squad substantially different?
If MacDonald had strong convictions about any contactable player since May he would have had every opportunity to advocate for their signing as a member of the coaching team - this is not an IPL draft where world class players are on the board to select from it is a bunch of rookies, journeymen and third string halfbacks and hookers. Of course Umaga would have had the last say - but unless you believe Umaga vetoed 10 of MacDonald's suggestions then you may be in for a rude awakening next season.
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@Duluth Abel is in career best form and nearly 30, Moulds is 27 so given some game time he’d be peaking anytime soon, so let’s dump all that development and back another guy whose not been part of the hard slog at the blues whose not been loyal to any team. Blues still have a season ahead to be competitive I’d rather Moulds coming off the bench or starting than worrying about Apisai’s opportunities.
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@Northlandallday just heard that the Abel signing may not happen with the Blues and an overseas option the better option.
I would be staggered if Apisai is resigned given his absolute lack of game time, his contract comes to an end at the completion of this super season...once again the finger should be firmly pointed at Tony Hanks..the recruitment officer..quite frankly they would have been better off signing Ross Wright or Kurt Eklund ahead of Apisai.. -
@Steven-Harris Better option for Abel?
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@Tim probably a money thing, hes also probably thinking am I gonna be stuck behind Parsons..?
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@Steven-Harris Gotcha.
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@Steven-Harris said in Blues 2019:
once again the finger should be firmly pointed at Tony Hanks
Hopefully the NZRU sackings aren't complete yet. Him and Redman still need to go
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@rotated said in Blues 2019:
@Kirwan said in Blues 2019:
@rotated curious for any examples of other assistants that got to select squads in Super Rugby, or are you just making stuff up.
Leon clearly inherited Tana’s squad.
I don't think anyone is denying this wasn't predominantly a squad put together over Tana's tenure (although the hole at 10 is due to Kirwan releasing future 6N MVP). That is kind of the nature of professional sport where players are on multi-year contracts. But Jesus Christ I have seen caretaker coaches takeover midseason in other codes that have had this excuse used less.
Let's say MacDonald takes over as head coach early May last year (when appointed as assistant, which would be early given NZ Super history wherecoaches are dismissed at the end of the season), what moves could he have possibly made that would tangibly have made this squad substantially different?
If MacDonald had strong convictions about any contactable player since May he would have had every opportunity to advocate for their signing as a member of the coaching team - this is not an IPL draft where world class players are on the board to select from it is a bunch of rookies, journeymen and third string halfbacks and hookers. Of course Umaga would have had the last say - but unless you believe Umaga vetoed 10 of MacDonald's suggestions then you may be in for a rude awakening next season.
Wouldn’t it have been quicker to just say you don’t have any examples?
At the beginning of the season, a lot of Blues fans pretty much wrote off this season as it wasn’t Leon’s squad. He would have had little to no influence coming in the third year of Tana’s disastrous reign.
And as contracts last multiple years, it’s going to take a couple of years to clean up the mess.
All we wanted to see is better selections from within the squad, a game plan, any game plan, and improvements from the previous seasons. He’s achieved that already, and you can see the plan and improvement. And much better fitness. That should continue, and as the squad improves, and we can attract talent again, things will get better.
Oh, and Kirwan delisted Anscombe because Nonu refused to play outside him. And then Nonu fucked over Kirwan by leaving. That said, he was a shit 10 and a goodish fullback. It wasn’t a bad decision at the time at all.
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@Kirwan said in Blues 2019:
Wouldn’t it have been quicker to just say you don’t have any examples?
Tana at the squad announcement literally says both Jed Brown and Levi Aumua were selected due to Leon.
If you think contracts are doled out solely by the head coach with no collaboration with the assistants in 2019 then I think the onus is on you to give examples of that. That's pretty much how professional rugby has worked in NZ for the past two decades - much more collaborative.
First year coach for sure, but had more of a say than almost any other first year coach aside from internal replacements.
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It's been widely known Leon MacDonald had very little say in the squad.
A 3rd string openside and a 5th string midfielder are your examples?
Tom Coventry was interviewed after the Harbour-Auckland game and made it clear there were very few open spots available for the new coaches coming in.
