2020 All Blacks Squad

[gt12]

A flow up article about the status of current ABs:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12218144

[Tim]

@gt12 From the article.

Angus Ta'avo and Atu Moli are also signed for next year. The front row is well covered.

 Hookers

Dane Coles - 2021
Codie Taylor - 2021

Props
Joe Moody - 2022
Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 2021
Karl Tu'inukuafe - 2021
Nepo Laulala - 2020

Locks
Scott Barrett - 2020
Patrick Tuipulotu - 2020
Sam Whitelock - 2020 (if he takes up a one year extension option)

Loose forwards
Dalton Papalii - 2022
Sam Cane - 2021
Ardie Savea - 2021
Vaea Fifita - 2020

Halfbacks
TJ Perenara - 2021
Aaron Smith - 2021

Midfield backs
Ngani Laumape - 2021
Anton Lienert-Brown - 2020

Wings
Rieko Ioane - 2022

Utilities
Damian McKenzie - 2021

[gt12]

Assuming the article above is correct, a few names jump out, such as keeping Brodie, and probably Barrett:

Hookers = Good shape
Dane Coles - 2021
Codie Taylor - 2021

Props = Good shape
Joe Moody - 2022
Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 2021
Karl Tu'inukuafe - 2021
Nepo Laulala - 2020

Locks = worrying without BBBR
Scott Barrett - 2020
Patrick Tuipulotu - 2020
Sam Whitelock - 2020 (if he takes up a one year extension option)

Loose forwards = Pretty good as we have Ioane also signed I believe
Dalton Papalii - 2022
Sam Cane - 2021
Ardie Savea - 2021
Vaea Fifita - 2020

Halfbacks = Excellent shape
TJ Perenara - 2021
Aaron Smith - 2021

First fives = umm, zero? Dmac is rightly a utility. Need a signing here soon - either Mo'unga or Barrett

Midfield backs = OK, but must sign Goodhue
Ngani Laumape - 2021
Anton Lienert-Brown - 2020

Wings = this will be fine if we sign Bridge (with others coming)
Rieko Ioane - 2022

FB = none, but Dmac is signed and Jordan is coming with Jordie Barrett no doubt to be re-signed

Utilities = pretty good, given Dmac can cover 10/15
Damian McKenzie - 2021

[Tim]

@gt12 said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

Loose forwards = Pretty good as we have Ioane also signed I believe

Ioane and Evans are signed, as well as prospects Jacobson and Gibson.

[gt12]

Haere ra list (I added Naholo then removed him)

Kieran Read (signed with Toyota Verblitz, Japan)
Owen Franks (signed with Northampton)
Ben Smith (signed with Pau, turned down one year NZR option extension)
Liam Squire (signed with Red Hurricanes, Japan)
Jordan Taufua (signed with Leicester)
Jackson Hemopo (signed with DynaBoars, Japan, for 2020)
Luke Whitelock (signed with Pau)
Nehe Milner-Skudder (signed with Toulon)

[Stargazer]

@gt12 Naholo? Nothing confirmed about him leaving. Only a few rumours.

[gt12]

@Stargazer said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

@gt12 Naholo? Nothing confirmed about him leaving. Only a few rumours.

Cheers, edited accordingly.

[gt12]

My question - who of these gets the money?

Hell yes

Brodie Retallick
Beauden Barrett / Richie Mo'unga
Jack Goodhue

Yes

Shannon Frizell
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
Jordie Barrett
Nathan Harris

Thanks for the memories

Ryan Crotty (could also be a question mark)
Sonny Bill Williams
Kane Hames
Israel Dagg

Question marks

Matt Todd (he's still very good, even though we are well served at 7)
Liam Coltman (there aren't that many good hookers around)
Waisake Naholo (Rumored to be off anyway)

[Stargazer]

@gt12 Or to phrase it differently:

Likely to take Japanese sabbaticals if they re-sign with NZR:
Retallick
B Barrett
S Whitelock
possibly: Todd (if he doesn't go overseas entirely)

Won't go anywhere:
Mo'unga
Goodhue
Frizell
Tahuriorang
J Barrett

Does anyone really care?
Harris
Coltman

Other test-capped players (I may have missed some):
Perry (off contract)
Lomax (2020)
Evans (2020)
Hunt (?)
Bridge (2022)
Havili (2021))
Drummond (2020
Cameron (??)

Non-test capped players
Aumua (2021)
Moli (2020, wait and see whether he can reach the required level again after his long-term injury)
A Ioane (2021)
Duffie (off-contract)

Subjective, but on current form/fitness, it's hard to see Moli, Duffie, Drummond and Cameron make the squad any time soon, but that can obviously change.

[sparky]

All Blacks whose deals run out in 2019:

2019

Brodie Retallick: Likely to re-sign, sabbatical in Japan
Jack Goodhue: Almost certain to re-sign
Beauden Barrett: Likely to re-sign, sabbatical in Japan.
Ryan Crotty: Strongly linked with move to Bath or Japan.
Jordie Barrett: Almost certain to re-sign
Richie Mo'unga: Likely to re-sign
Sonny Bill Williams: Almost certain to leave. Bath, Saracens and Bristol interested.
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi: Likely to re-sign
Liam Coltman: ?????????
Nathan Harris: Wasps are interested.
Kane Hames: ?????????
Shannon Frizell: ???????
Waisake Naholo: Almost certainly off to London Irish, interest from Wasps.
Matt Todd: Probably off to Japan
Luke Romano: Interest from Sale and Bristol.
Sam Whitelock (Has one year extension): Probably off to France.

[sparky]

[cgrant]

It will be interesting to see who will get the nod as the starting THP after the RWC, with long serving Owen Franks off to Northampton.
Ofa-T and Laulala are the obvious choices but I think Tyrell Lomax could be the man. He has made a lot of progress this year and looks like a young Carl Hayman. His physicality cannot be questioned and he is not subject to brain explosions as Ofa-T is.
And there is Atu Moli. How will he recover from his injuries is the big question.

[MN5]

@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

It will be interesting to see who will get the nod as the starting THP after the RWC, with long serving Owen Franks off to Northampton.
Ofa-T and Laulala are the obvious choices but I think Tyrell Lomax could be the man. He has made a lot of progress this year and looks like a young Carl Hayman. His physicality cannot be questioned and he is not subject to brain explosions as Ofa-T is.
And there is Atu Moli. How will he recover from his injuries is the big question.

I don't think he's up to it in the beard growing department

[booboo]

@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

@gt12 From the article.

Angus Ta'avo and Atu Moli are also signed for next year. The front row is well covered.

 Hookers

Dane Coles - 2021
Codie Taylor - 2021

Props
Joe Moody - 2022
Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 2021
Karl Tu'inukuafe - 2021
Nepo Laulala - 2020

Locks
Scott Barrett - 2020
Patrick Tuipulotu - 2020
Sam Whitelock - 2020 (if he takes up a one year extension option)

Loose forwards
Dalton Papalii - 2022
Sam Cane - 2021
Ardie Savea - 2021
Vaea Fifita - 2020

Halfbacks
TJ Perenara - 2021
Aaron Smith - 2021

Midfield backs
Ngani Laumape - 2021
Anton Lienert-Brown - 2020

Wings
Rieko Ioane - 2022

Utilities
Damian McKenzie - 2021

This gives me warm fuzzies

[booboo]

@MN5 said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

@cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

It will be interesting to see who will get the nod as the starting THP after the RWC, with long serving Owen Franks off to Northampton.
Ofa-T and Laulala are the obvious choices but I think Tyrell Lomax could be the man. He has made a lot of progress this year and looks like a young Carl Hayman. His physicality cannot be questioned and he is not subject to brain explosions as Ofa-T is.
And there is Atu Moli. How will he recover from his injuries is the big question.

I don't think he's up to it in the beard growing department

And does he have the height to weight to play number 8?

[rotated]

They are shaping to give the 2012 class of debutants a lot of money going into their 9-12 AB seasons. I'm not sure some of these are wise investments if funds are low; particularly Coles, Smith and if Beauden is asking top dollar in the country.

[gt12]

@rotated

I'm fascinated by how they try to work out the value of the contracts they offer to these players. BBBR must be more valuable than Whitelock, but how about Barrett versus Mounga? Personally, I be putting a bit of money in front of Goodhue right now too.

[number9]

@Tim said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

@gt12 From the article.

Angus Ta'avo and Atu Moli are also signed for next year. The front row is well covered.

 Hookers

Dane Coles - 2021
Codie Taylor - 2021

Props
Joe Moody - 2022
Ofa Tu'ungafasi - 2021
Karl Tu'inukuafe - 2021
Nepo Laulala - 2020

Locks
Scott Barrett - 2020
Patrick Tuipulotu - 2020
Sam Whitelock - 2020 (if he takes up a one year extension option)

Loose forwards
Dalton Papalii - 2022
Sam Cane - 2021
Ardie Savea - 2021
Vaea Fifita - 2020

Halfbacks
TJ Perenara - 2021
Aaron Smith - 2021

Midfield backs
Ngani Laumape - 2021
Anton Lienert-Brown - 2020

Wings
Rieko Ioane - 2022

Utilities
Damian McKenzie - 2021

I 100% agree with Angus, but Atu Moli has done absolutely nothing to warrant selection. Lomax is not the inform THP, Laulala is looking good.

[nzzp]

@rotated said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

They are shaping to give the 2012 class of debutants a lot of money going into their 9-12 AB seasons. I'm not sure some of these are wise investments if funds are low; particularly Coles, Smith and if Beauden is asking top dollar in the country.

Hansen (and Henry before him) really saw the value of grizzled veterans. I think the blend of half vets, and half enthusiastic youth is a tried formula.

On another note, it's great to see quality new faces popping up in every Super campaign. Will Jordan, Tom Robinson - and others - who could easily transition to the top level over the next few years.

[Yeahtheboys]

What do you guys think will be the 6, 7 and 8 aswell as the reserve loosie come World Cup time? Aswell as what do you think for the 2020 squad.

I think

World Cup
6. Frizell
7. Savea
8. Read
20. Cane

2020
6. Frizell
7. Cane
8. Savea
20. Ioane