China
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It's a fine line, how much shit do you want to take from China to keep their money. We already ignore their appalling human rights record, and expansionist trashing of tropical refs into polluted military bases. We've given police protection to an anti China writer, but not officially rebuked their govt. It seems we are drawing the line at having back doors in all our communications equipment, but are letting them hack the fuck out of the internet & social media ( hard to prove, Russia do it better anyway). But we are mainly cos UK, USA and Oz are doing it, I guess
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@Machpants I suspect our role in 5 eyes is a big factor in our stance on Huawei. If we weren't so tight on that network I wonder if we'd listen to the warnings from the USA etc then sign up anyway.
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@Paekakboyz said in China:
@Machpants I suspect our role in 5 eyes is a big factor in our stance on Huawei.
That's a good point and I can tell you now that you'd be kicked for introducing an unacceptable risk into the network. At best you'd be partitioned which would negate the point.
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@antipodean said in China:
@Paekakboyz said in China:
@Machpants I suspect our role in 5 eyes is a big factor in our stance on Huawei.
That's a good point and I can tell you now that you'd be kicked for introducing an unacceptable risk into the network. At best you'd be partitioned which would negate the point.
Unacceptable risk ?
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From stats.co.nz
"New Zealand’s two-way trade with China increased more than three-fold in the past decade, Stats NZ said today. It climbed from $8.6 billion in 2007 to $26.1 billion in the December 2017 calendar year."
So we just need to find $26.1b worth of customers outside of China. Doesn't sound too hard.........
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From stats.co.nz
"New Zealand’s two-way trade with China increased more than three-fold in the past decade, Stats NZ said today. It climbed from $8.6 billion in 2007 to $26.1 billion in the December 2017 calendar year."
So we just need to find $26.1b worth of customers outside of China. Doesn't sound too hard.........
The US does it's diplomacy with guns, China does it with economics
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Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
"I AM NOT A RACIST!!! I love the Yellow
PerilMan"
Trying to claim that he can’t be racist because Polynesians come from Taiwan is shameless even for him .
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Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
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@No-Quarter said in China:
Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
Their attitude to the Chinese reminds me of Uk Labours attitude to Jews. “We aren’t racist but they have lots of money and too much influence so it’s ok to single them out totally without being racist”.
It surprises me his many people who are so pathetically woke in every other regard have a blind spot about Chinese people . -
@No-Quarter said in China:
Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
Their attitude to the Chinese reminds me of Uk Labours attitude to Jews. “We aren’t racist but they have lots of money and too much influence so it’s ok to single them out totally without being racist”.
It surprises me his many people who are so pathetically woke in every other regard have a blind spot about Chinese people .Yellow privilege?
It's difficult because China is such a vital trading partner, but when they do utterly fucked up shit they should be able to be called out on it. Imagine if the US went bottom lip at every perceived slight.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel or held their nerve around some of the behaviour of their gulf region friends.
Pretty much everyone looks the other way when a vital trading/regional partner is doing some iffy shit. Which is shit but has been going on since year dot.
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@Paekakboyz said in China:
@Rancid-Schnitzel or held their nerve around some of the behaviour of their gulf region friends.
Pretty much everyone looks the other way when a vital trading/regional partner is doing some iffy shit. Which is shit but has been going on since year dot.
Agree, but it also depends on what that iffy shit is. Do we always count the bucks and never draw the line at anything?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in China:
@No-Quarter said in China:
Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
Their attitude to the Chinese reminds me of Uk Labours attitude to Jews. “We aren’t racist but they have lots of money and too much influence so it’s ok to single them out totally without being racist”.
It surprises me his many people who are so pathetically woke in every other regard have a blind spot about Chinese people .Yellow privilege?
It's difficult because China is such a vital trading partner, but when they do utterly fucked up shit they should be able to be called out on it. Imagine if the US went bottom lip at every perceived slight.
The blur the line between Chinese people and the govt the same way the uk equivalent does with Israel and the Jews
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in China:
@No-Quarter said in China:
Who would have thought two coalition partners using dog whistle anti Chinese racism to win votes would backfire?
I for one am shocked
Don't forget Labour's racist campaign against Chinese homeowners when they dug up a whole lot of Chinese sounding names as evidence of the (supposed) problem, despite many of them being NZ citizens.
Their attitude to the Chinese reminds me of Uk Labours attitude to Jews. “We aren’t racist but they have lots of money and too much influence so it’s ok to single them out totally without being racist”.
It surprises me his many people who are so pathetically woke in every other regard have a blind spot about Chinese people .Yellow privilege?
It's difficult because China is such a vital trading partner, but when they do utterly fucked up shit they should be able to be called out on it. Imagine if the US went bottom lip at every perceived slight.
The blur the line between Chinese people and the govt the same way the uk equivalent does with Israel and the Jews
Yeah that shit is fucked up. There are millions of Chinese people who have never even set foot in China let alone had anything to do with their govt.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel it's sad aye... a lot of us (in the general sense) talk how ethics and treatment of people matters. But when taking a stand suddenly has a $$ factor or impact the gloss and/or mandate to follow through comes off pretty fast!!
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Nothing at the billions of dollars level is about ethics. A casual glance at the oil and drug industries shows that.
You either choose to take the billions or you don't. In this case, considering the fact that China could whup us in an afternoon, it might be better to continue the ethics delusions for practicality reasons.
Or have no money and convince everyone that hunger is worth it for ethical purity