NZ All Time XI
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@no-quarter said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Great work @Rapido, I'm pretty happy with that team TBH. All well and good having three spearhead bowlers, but the value of Wagner in a real-life test match situation cannot really be overstated - he's an awesome 3rd seamer and his record backs that up.
Wagner has a strangely large difference in his record as a 3rd seamer or 4th seamer. I have pretty much dismissed this as a coincidence - and therefore combined the 3rd seamer role in my stats above into a '3rd/4th seamer'.
But its interesting.
3rd seamer is the toughest (most unrecognised) job in cricket.
Lowering the threshold to minimum 25 wickets. These are NZ's best 3rd/4th seamers:
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@Rapido although stats don't always tell the whole picture I lilke that you have taken into account people's role/position in the team. 3rd seamer is without a doubt the toughest gig out, you regularly have to bowl with an old ball against set batsmen for long periods. Our openers wouldn't have the same record if they only ever got the old ball - Bond and Boult especially who get a lot of wickets with the early swing.
If it wasn't obvious, I fucking love Wags.
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@rotated said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@cyclops said in NZ All Time Test XI:
NZ cricket should have made him captain after Flem and passed over Vettori. I reckon we'd be in a better place now if we had.
The Vettori period was a complete shit show.
The period of Taylor's captaincy under Wright IMO was strong and the away wins in Australia and Sri Lanka point to that. We played very sensible cricket and had an edge in the test game I hadn't seen for years. Regardless of the merit of McCullum or Taylor as captains NZ's fortunes were going to change around that time because we stumbled into a legitimate a World Class batsman and three legitimate test quality quicks.
Yeah that's a fair point, as good as Baz and Hesson were, there's no doubt we had started to show signs of what we were capable of under Rosco and Wright. Those away wins were fucking huge at the time. Ultimately it worked out well, and Hesson I think will go down as one of our greatest ever coaches, but we shouldn't forget the success we were starting to have prior. That SA tour threw everything up in the air and has skewed people's perspectives a bit.
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@synicbast said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Kane just broke the 900 point barrier on the ICC rankings...absofuckinglutely sensational.
I always scoff/or am in mixed minds at the "who would you get to bat for your life" thing but hands down, it would be Kane Williamson
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@synicbast said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Kane just broke the 900 point barrier on the ICC rankings...absofuckinglutely sensational.
Places him 27th on the list of batsmen ordered by their highest ever ranking. Top 5 is Bradman, Smith, Hutton, Ponting, Hobbs. Immediately after KW are Lara, Pietersen, Amla, Chanderpaul, Clarke, Tendulkar, Hammond, Flower, S Waugh, Dravid which is a pretty fine 9 to be above you have to admit. Now all we need is a double hundred from him this weekend and he can go above Barrington, Headley, Gavaskar, Compton, Root ....
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@kiwipie said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@synicbast said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Kane just broke the 900 point barrier on the ICC rankings...absofuckinglutely sensational.
Places him 27th on the list of batsmen ordered by their highest ever ranking. Top 5 is Bradman, Smith, Hutton, Ponting, Hobbs. Immediately after KW are Lara, Pietersen, Amla, Chanderpaul, Clarke, Tendulkar, Hammond, Flower, S Waugh, Dravid which is a pretty fine 9 to be above you have to admit. Now all we need is a double hundred from him this weekend and he can go above Barrington, Headley, Gavaskar, Compton, Root ....
Shit, some brilliant names there....Off the top of my head no Richards, Chappell, Kallis, Sobers, Border....in any case it's amazing seeing one of our boys on the list.
Three Aussies and two Poms in the top 5. You forget how good Ponting was at his peak but without being churlish I'd argue he is not a guaranteed pick for an all time Australian XI
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@no-quarter said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Also, I love that we've had this exact discussion and these exact same arguments nearly every year but nobody gives a fuck and everyone just piles in. This is what makes the Fern great. Awesome thread lads.
I appreciate that @MN5 always volunteers to be the guy to get everything wrong in these threads. That is a job that is harder than it looks.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@no-quarter said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Also, I love that we've had this exact discussion and these exact same arguments nearly every year but nobody gives a fuck and everyone just piles in. This is what makes the Fern great. Awesome thread lads.
I appreciate that @MN5 always volunteers to be the guy to get everything wrong in these threads. That is a job that is harder than it looks.
Your trolling game is about as strong as Heineken 0%
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@mn5 said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@baron-silas-greenback said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@no-quarter said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Also, I love that we've had this exact discussion and these exact same arguments nearly every year but nobody gives a fuck and everyone just piles in. This is what makes the Fern great. Awesome thread lads.
I appreciate that @MN5 always volunteers to be the guy to get everything wrong in these threads. That is a job that is harder than it looks.
Your trolling game is about as strong as Heineken 0%
That post needed a warning MN5.
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@raznomore said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Don't care so long as Paddles & Bond open the bowling. We may not need to even bat..
Ohh we’ll always need to bat again after one of our trademark collapses. I don’t care who’s in the team and what era, a collapse is in Blackcap DNA 🙂
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@mn5 said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@kiwipie said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@synicbast said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Kane just broke the 900 point barrier on the ICC rankings...absofuckinglutely sensational.
Places him 27th on the list of batsmen ordered by their highest ever ranking. Top 5 is Bradman, Smith, Hutton, Ponting, Hobbs. Immediately after KW are Lara, Pietersen, Amla, Chanderpaul, Clarke, Tendulkar, Hammond, Flower, S Waugh, Dravid which is a pretty fine 9 to be above you have to admit. Now all we need is a double hundred from him this weekend and he can go above Barrington, Headley, Gavaskar, Compton, Root ....
Shit, some brilliant names there....Off the top of my head no Richards, Chappell, Kallis, Sobers, Border....in any case it's amazing seeing one of our boys on the list.
Three Aussies and two Poms in the top 5. You forget how good Ponting was at his peak but without being churlish I'd argue he is not a guaranteed pick for an all time Australian XI
Ponting makes my Aussie all-time XI every day of the week. Couldn’t stand the guy but a phenomenal batsman that had arrogance and will to win since he was hitting balls as a teenager in the CA academy.
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@act-crusader said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@raznomore said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Don't care so long as Paddles & Bond open the bowling. We may not need to even bat..
Ohh we’ll always need to bat again after one of our trademark collapses. I don’t care who’s in the team and what era, a collapse is in Blackcap DNA 🙂
Better put BJ and Coney in there because they bailed us out enough times
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@act-crusader said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Ponting makes my Aussie all-time XI every day of the week. Couldn’t stand the guy but a phenomenal batsman that had arrogance and will to win since he was hitting balls as a teenager in the CA academy.
Makes mine too. Read his autobiography, comes across as much less of a fluffbunny than he seemed as a player. Certainly does a lot of behind the scenes charity and disadvantaged groups work (I saw this at first hand in my job) and for all his churlishness when captaining Australia, he always fronted up after a loss. No sandpaper antics from him, not with his transparent love of the game.
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@synicbast yeah I’ve met him a couple of times through work since he’s retired and he seems like a decent guy that doesn’t mind having a laugh or chat.
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If I can just mention keepers re dismissals...
Keepers don't create dismissals. Bowlers do. Keepers just take catches ... mostly.
Stumpings are awesome, and are more a measure of how good a keeper you are than overall dismissals, most of which are catches.
But you're not going to get them unless you have spinners on spinners' decks.
My measure as to how well I kept was how tidy I was (ie no dropsies to routine deliveries), and no byes, absolutely no byes.
Having said all that Smithy was my hero growing up (along with SRH & MDC). One of my favourite memories was his ton v England at Eden Park to ensure we drew and won the series in 1984.
Especially being a keeper myself back in those days.
And a huge fan of BMac recently. His triple hundy and his various doubles.
But I've just got to go with Watling as my keeper. Super tidy and just a rock in that lower middle ordsr.
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@booboo said in NZ All Time Test XI:
My measure as to how well I kept was how tidy I was (ie no dropsies to routine deliveries), and no byes, absolutely no byes.
I'm not sure you can use byes as a measure of the ability of a keeper with the umpires interpretation of a bye. For example, a fast bowler bowls a short-pitched delivery that goes over the batsmen's head and is also too high for the keeper to catch. They are called byes when they should be called wides.
I agree with conceding byes to spinners but the scorecard doesn't make that distinction.
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@act-crusader said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@mn5 said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@kiwipie said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@synicbast said in NZ All Time Test XI:
Kane just broke the 900 point barrier on the ICC rankings...absofuckinglutely sensational.
Places him 27th on the list of batsmen ordered by their highest ever ranking. Top 5 is Bradman, Smith, Hutton, Ponting, Hobbs. Immediately after KW are Lara, Pietersen, Amla, Chanderpaul, Clarke, Tendulkar, Hammond, Flower, S Waugh, Dravid which is a pretty fine 9 to be above you have to admit. Now all we need is a double hundred from him this weekend and he can go above Barrington, Headley, Gavaskar, Compton, Root ....
Shit, some brilliant names there....Off the top of my head no Richards, Chappell, Kallis, Sobers, Border....in any case it's amazing seeing one of our boys on the list.
Three Aussies and two Poms in the top 5. You forget how good Ponting was at his peak but without being churlish I'd argue he is not a guaranteed pick for an all time Australian XI
Ponting makes my Aussie all-time XI every day of the week. Couldn’t stand the guy but a phenomenal batsman that had arrogance and will to win since he was hitting balls as a teenager in the CA academy.
I said I'd argue and to me he's not 100% locked in. When you consider Bradman is a certainty for 3 or 4 then he's competing with the likes of Greg Chappell, Steve Waugh, Border, Doug Walters, Smith.....some of those legends have to miss out.....
Guys as good as Clarke, Hussey, M Waugh, Langer, Taylor, Slats, Boon etc have absolutely no chance which is scary.
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