Exodus

[taniwharugby]

@machpants not sure on those leagues, but it I had heard from a reliable source an Assistant Coach gig in the Japanese League was worth a couple hundred K a year, plus house and a car....

[Derm McCrum]

@machpants said in Exodus 2019:

The Boks probably have the most players in overseas leagues, the PI the most percentage of players, but man how many NZ pro/semi pro coaches are around the world? Really I think coaching is NZs biggest advantage, and because there are so few slots available here we are spreading our power (see Lions, Ireland). What are coaches salaries like, in Top 14 etc, compared to players?

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[Nepia]

@derm-mccrum Only 5 NZers in Italy? That doesn't seem correct.

Awesome graph spam though!

[Derm McCrum]

@nepia said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum Only 5 NZers in Italy? That doesn't seem correct.

Awesome graph spam though!

I only looked at players who were born in each country. Where they grew up, moved to, who their parents are is not taken account of. Just raw numbers on where a player was born. I looked at wiki pages for each club, union and club websites. And it's professional teams only - so only two in Italy.

[Derm McCrum]

And just so the NH doesn't feel left out.

[Bovidae]

@derm-mccrum 6 by my count, but still low.

Treviso - Budd, Hayward, Faiva, Manu
Zebre - Renton, Tuivaiti

[Machpants]

It's a graphical extravaganza! Cheers!

[Derm McCrum]

@bovidae said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum 6 by my count, but still low.

Treviso - Budd, Hayward, Faiva, Manu
Zebre - Renton, Tuivaiti

You're right - I put the wrong number into the Italy column instead of NZ for Tuivaiti..

[Machpants]

@derm-mccrum I never realised there were so many Kiwis, relative to SA. So many Fijians too.

It will be interesting to see what happens in UK post BREXIT, SA and PI players will no longer count as European Associated, it won't exist as a category maybe, so PR will have to change it's rules about number of non-UK players I guess

[Chris B.]

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@nepia said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum Only 5 NZers in Italy? That doesn't seem correct.

Awesome graph spam though!

I only looked at players who were born in each country. Where they grew up, moved to, who their parents are is not taken account of. Just raw numbers on where a player was born. I looked at wiki pages for each club, union and club websites. And it's professional teams only - so only two in Italy.

Interesting stuff - well done!

So the French basically can field 22 XVs of SH players!

They've fucked themselves and are slowly taking the rest of us with them!

[Derm McCrum]

@chris-b said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@nepia said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum Only 5 NZers in Italy? That doesn't seem correct.

Awesome graph spam though!

I only looked at players who were born in each country. Where they grew up, moved to, who their parents are is not taken account of. Just raw numbers on where a player was born. I looked at wiki pages for each club, union and club websites. And it's professional teams only - so only two in Italy.

Interesting stuff - well done!

So the French basically can field 22 XVs of SH players!

They've fucked themselves and are slowly taking the rest of us with them!

Indeed. Except Murphy's Law will now apply and they'll probably go and win the world cup with all French-born players just to piss us all off.

[Stargazer]

I looked up players in the Italian Top 12. I first checked Wikipedia and then the clubs team & player profiles.
These are the players & coaches, who were either born and/or raised in NZ:

Rugby San Donà:
Edward Reeves (represents Italy, but born in NZ)
Leroy Henry-Jack
NZ coach: Craig Green

Rugby Calvisano
no NZ players

Fiamme Oro Rugby
no NZ players

S.S. Lazio Rugby 1927
no NZ players

Rugby Club I Medicei
no NZ players

Rugby Mogliano
Joe Toai-Key
Mark Jackman

Petrarca Rugby
Jeremy Su'a

Valorugby Emilia
Cardiff Vaega
Junior Ngaluafe

Rugby Rovigo
NZ coach: Joe McDonnell

Valsugana Rugby Padova
no NZ players

Verona Rugby
ass coach: Luke Mahoney

Rugby Viadana
UK born, but NZ parents: Keanu Apperley

[Derm McCrum]

@machpants said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum I never realised there were so many Kiwis, relative to SA. So many Fijians too.

It will be interesting to see what happens in UK post BREXIT, SA and PI players will no longer count as European Associated, it won't exist as a category maybe, so PR will have to change it's rules about number of non-UK players I guess

The soccer authorities have woken up to this and it's being presented as better and more opportunities for England qualified players in the leagues.

The rule on only 2 non-European players in a match day squad for Top 14, Premiership, PRO14 and the European Cup comps only applies to NZ or Australian born. If a player has PI heritage of any kind, then they're in. If you look at the background to a lot of the NZ players in France particularly, you can see why they chose some of them, so they can field 4 or 5 ex-ABs in a game which pisses off the opposition.

[Nepia]

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@bovidae said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum 6 by my count, but still low.

Treviso - Budd, Hayward, Faiva, Manu
Zebre - Renton, Tuivaiti

You're right - I put the wrong number into the Italy column instead of NZ for Tuivaiti..

I wonder if your Tongans and Samoans in the 'SH-born professional players in 52 European clubs' actually includes NZers? (Clearly I can't handle SA being ahead of us!)

Does Italy only have two professional clubs now or only two that play in the whatever the European cup comp is called now?