All Blacks v Springboks
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Rather lose to the Boks a hundred times then to the aussies once.
Can guarantee both teams had a beer or 2 together after the game -
Well, so we coughed one up at home. I know there is a lot of wailing and gnashign of teeth - mainly to be fair in the media - but this wasn't anything to get too upset about I reckon.
The Bokke brought a good physical game, and were fully committed. That said, we ripped them apart, scored 6 tries, and made the game look easy at times. It was our farking defence and decision making that really cost us that win; goalkicking could have burgled it, but fark me, 6 tries and you lose?
BBBR is our critical player. What a sensation - you only really see quite how dominant he is in every part of the game when he's gone. Don't forget the much vaunted Canterbury talent identification system passed him over, so he wombled off to the North.
Anyhoo, I really enjoyed the test. A great contest, and nothing in it right to the end. And, as I said, you'd say the ABs played pretty poorly at times, well below their standards, and the Boks played pretty well as well as they can. Result: we lose.
Things I liked
- Dyanti running around people. What an offensive weapon
- Physical commitment around the paddock
- Beaudy's wee pass up to his brother for the early try. What hands - that's worth 5 of the points he left out there
- Refs who let the game go -- while there's an argument for pedantic whistling, it's a much better watch with open running rugby
- Josh Goodhue's impact coming on. That guy is doing all he can to push for a long career in black. Remember - he's the same age as ALB; shows the real youth kicking around the team
- Ben Smith. At 32. Fark me, just made so many metres, so many good decisions. Awesome.
- Teams that don't act like muppets to each other, and will have a beer afterwards. It's what Rugby's about - I'm biased, but you don't have to be a bunch of wazzers to win at the top level (looking at you, Australia)
Things I didn't like so much
- Goalkicking (obvs)
- JB's fast throw to bounce somewhere near some Bokke. Reminded me of Billy Slater's biff back into the field of play in the League RWC Final. You only do that if you don't respect your opponents deeply, and think you'll win no matter what. I don't think he'll do that again soon
- Some of the offside calls (from teh couch anyway) -- very relaxed
- Looooooong advantage. I'm old school for this, but with modern defences that just don't fall apart, I reckon it's 2-3 phases and then back for the penalty. Otherwise you just burn time and don't actually advance the game
- Losing
- Not having good 6 cover on the bench for when Liam gets injured.
Thoroughly good game, disappointing result, but I wasn't gutted - just a bit flat. Still slept like a baby, and I really think we're on the right track with this side.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Thoroughly good game, disappointing result, but I wasn't gutted - just a bit flat. Still slept like a baby, and I really think we're on the right track with this side.
Also, things I don't like: Justin Farking Marshall. That fella needs to get a lawbook sometime,and talk to some referees. Honestly, most times he opens his mouth he is flat out wrong.
Poor commentators lead to misinformation being widely spread in the casual rugby watching public. This is not good for the game, because (wider) it's always hometown bullshit. Example today in the Ferald: missed refs call costs All Blacks game. It's that shit - we lost because of our defence; blaming the ref gets you where the Wallabies are now; not owning their issues.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Thoroughly good game, disappointing result, but I wasn't gutted - just a bit flat. Still slept like a baby, and I really think we're on the right track with this side.
Also, things I don't like: Justin Farking Marshall. That fella needs to get a lawbook sometime,and talk to some referees. Honestly, most times he opens his mouth he is flat out wrong.
Poor commentators lead to misinformation being widely spread in the casual rugby watching public. This is not good for the game, because (wider) it's always hometown bullshit. Example today in the Ferald: missed refs call costs All Blacks game. It's that shit - we lost because of our defence; blaming the ref gets you where the Wallabies are now; not owning their issues.
Exactly, you see it in League with guys like Gus Gould and people buy their rubbish and start blaming refs for no reason.
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Why was it after that opening 20 or so when Grandad from Accounts was tearing shit up, we barely gave him the ball again?
I know SA defended well, but he was a big part of all the good bits early on, then when the shit was being shredded by the fan, we barely had him involved.
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@rebound said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@rapido really how does your mind work. In this game there was more penalties awarded in the 2nd half then in the 1st half and the telling thing is the ABs were not penalised in the 2nd half. That's persistent infringing and requires progressively harsher penalties. That is the whole point of penalties on rugby. Otherwise what's the point then if a team can concede p
5 consecutive penalties in their danger zone and don't get cardsThe Boks only conceded 10 penalties in the entire match, how can you possibly bray for cards based on that?
Card braying is a current cancer on the sport imo.
Refs who buy into the trend that x number of penalties = cards are also a cancer on the sport. Having to turn around and go defend a lineout 5m from your line is already a huge punishment.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:
What is this ref blunder the herald speak of?
I don't want to read from that piece of shit website/paper. Removed them ages ago from my bookmarks.
I find recall anything at the time in the match, maybe I was typing a TSF post at the time .....?
They claim in his headset the AR said something like 'Green 8 and 9 offside' when the ABs were hammering away. Hence, an easy 3 (if you aren't BB), and a win.
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@nzzp Yes I think you are right about that 6/8 cover. Although Savea really has not done anything wrong the last couple of games, although a little inclined to want to do too much, we don’t have that backup to provide some punch. Maybe Frizzel and my personal choice Akira. Last night Barret was the option but he is really not a huge physical impression out there.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:
What is this ref blunder the herald speak of?
I don't want to read from that piece of shit website/paper. Removed them ages ago from my bookmarks.
I find recall anything at the time in the match, maybe I was typing a TSF post at the time .....?
They claim in his headset the AR said something like 'Green 8 and 9 offside' when the ABs were hammering away. Hence, an easy 3 (if you aren't BB), and a win.
Right.
So good realistic RWC knockout prep. Tight finish, ref probably won't decide it for you ....
(Slight tangent. I don't like current refereeing applications where all teams are allowed to be 1m offside at every ruck, until, it gets to a few meres from the tryline and suddenly that white line cant have a toe cross it. It's too easy to score once you get close )
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Match stats are amazing.
NZ
75% possession
79 % territoryBroken down second half:
81% possession
87% territoryhttp://www.espn.com/rugby/matchstats?gameId=292793&league=244293
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:
What is this ref blunder the herald speak of?
I don't want to read from that piece of shit website/paper. Removed them ages ago from my bookmarks.
I find recall anything at the time in the match, maybe I was typing a TSF post at the time .....?
They claim in his headset the AR said something like 'Green 8 and 9 offside' when the ABs were hammering away. Hence, an easy 3 (if you aren't BB), and a win.
Btw, thanks for the outline.
That article with the cry baby headline appeared in this feed within about half an hour of the final whistle.
I really, really, really didn't want to reward that with a click.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v Springboks:
couldnt sleep after that. must say you guys are taking this remarkably well.
Even with the AB's "our own harshest critics" party line, and given the dealing with millenials thing, and the never losign thing, and super-wise guru Hansen having been in the job for eons, I wonder if he ever really brings the fucken hammer down.
"Jordie, you can go sit in the fucken stands next week, this isn't some tenured succession rite that's your divine right by virtue of your fucken bloodline. Beaudy, you and DMac can decide who wants to sit on the end of the fucken bench and pray you're the fucken fullback impact sub for 20 minutes cos both you helter skelter rudderless nimrods are about 10 million rungs below Ben Smith. Rieko and Wais to the wings.
"TJ, you got ran down by a fucking number 8. Yes, a fucking big fat forward. Go take a lap. Where's your cool hongi now fluffybunny?
"When I saw a waiting pod of Karl T, Pat T and Ofa I turned to Fozzie and said 'fuck me we're gonna fucken lose this.' If 3 Auckland Blues gather within a radius of 5 metres it's basic physics that you instantly have an inescapable Bermuda Triangle of fluffybunnies into which the hopes and dreams of a nation will suddenly vanish and die. I'm half of a mind to buy the whole Blues franchise just to shoot the fucking thing into space. Maybe biff it on Musk's next rocket to fucking Mars. Even the Martian microbe XV might hold onto the fucken ball more often than Ofa does. And those little microbe fluffybunnies don't even have fucken arms or legs
"Oh, one last thing, Richie is currently en route here in his chopper. He said he is going to confiscate ALL last nights test caps and burn them on a ceremonial fucking pyre. He said he is then going to use his chopper rotors to decapitate, in his words, 'the fluffybunny in the 10 jersey'. Richard Hugh Mccaw did not play through 280 test match wins with a loose bolt in his foot so some precious back fluffybunny could casually shank 4 piss-easy kicks on his home fucking ground vs the fucking boks."
Rant-tastic as usual!
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Just to confirm from my hazy memory, did the Boks threaten our line 3 times and come up with 5 tries? That's incredible efficiency!
You can always criticise the defence of any team that concedes but SA attacked at speed and manipulated the defence which made poor decisions. That's how the ABs score many of their tries.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@rapido Wow look at those tackle counts.
Apart from the penalty count. The similarities to Cardiff 07 is quite strong.
Dominate possession and territory. Bash bosh on the line instead of setting for the drop.
I would think there's some good lessons here.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@chris-b said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@rapido Wow look at those tackle counts.
Apart from the penalty count. The similarities to Cardiff 07 is quite strong.
Dominate possession and territory. Bash bosh on the line instead of setting for the drop.
I would think there's some good lessons here.
Better to take our medicine now than in Japan next year
