World rugby 15
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Do love a good world 15 thread, although entering one with an opinion is fraught with danger.
Due to various seasons / schedules the only time you can really pick one is at the conclusion of a rugby world cup. SH players always look shattered in the EOYT and vice versa for the summer internationals.
I think most people tend to just pick one that leans heavily on their own team, then a few from others to appear "balanced". As an example, I would put Furlong on, because I've heard he's really good, but never really sat back and watched him play.
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Surely this is more relevant at the start of December
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Great stuff. That looks pretty good to me.
Ones I might change are:
Centre: Jonathan Davies for Farrell
Loosies: Possibly Matera, O'Mahony or Hooper in the mix, but O'Brien and Read hard to beat when fit
Lock: Nakarawa for me over Whitelock (just)Reserves: not Itoje or Wyn-Jones. Would have players noted above. Maybe Elliot Daly somewhere
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@booboo said in World rugby 15:
@yeahtheboys said in World rugby 15:
- Joe Moody
- Malcom Marx
- Tagdh Furlong
- BBBR
- Sam Whitelock
- David Pocock
- Sean Obrein
- Kieran Read
- Conor Murray
- Beauden Barrett
- Rieko Ioane
- Owen Farrell
- Kurtley Beale
- Ben Smith
- Israel Folau
Reserves
Creevy
Vunipola
Kepu
Itoje
Wyn Jones?
Smith
Sexton
Dmac? (For world 15)Murray: one trick pony: good box kick. I'd lean towards Genia. Smith is not up to pre toilet standards yet.
Smith: one trick pony: fast pass.
Honestly, I know we hate the Irish style of rugby, but when it comes to controlling a game and slowly but surely strangling the life out of an opponent, even if you fall alseep watching, Murray and Sexton are up there with the best.
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@billy-tell said in World rugby 15:
@booboo said in World rugby 15:
@yeahtheboys said in World rugby 15:
- Joe Moody
- Malcom Marx
- Tagdh Furlong
- BBBR
- Sam Whitelock
- David Pocock
- Sean Obrein
- Kieran Read
- Conor Murray
- Beauden Barrett
- Rieko Ioane
- Owen Farrell
- Kurtley Beale
- Ben Smith
- Israel Folau
Reserves
Creevy
Vunipola
Kepu
Itoje
Wyn Jones?
Smith
Sexton
Dmac? (For world 15)Murray: one trick pony: good box kick. I'd lean towards Genia. Smith is not up to pre toilet standards yet.
Smith: one trick pony: fast pass.
Honestly, I know we hate the Irish style of rugby, but when it comes to controlling a game and slowly but surely strangling the life out of an opponent, even if you fall alseep watching, Murray and Sexton are up there with the best.
This sums up what makes selecting a World XV difficult. No use having instinctive fast backs with slow pivots and vice-versa.
Imagine AS racing to follow a breakdown and firing the ball quickly to Sexton. Sexton would be thinking 'FFS man, give me a chance to work out what to do'
BB would be screaming at CM 'Why did you kick it you moron?'
It's a team sport and the team needs to be able to gel as one.
The only sure thing about selecting a World XV is that BBBR would be in it.
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@crucial said in World rugby 15:
This sums up what makes selecting a World XV difficult. No use having instinctive fast backs with slow pivots and vice-versa.
Imagine AS racing to follow a breakdown and firing the ball quickly to Sexton. Sexton would be thinking 'FFS man, give me a chance to work out what to do'
BB would be screaming at CM 'Why did you kick it you moron?'
It's a team sport and the team needs to be able to gel as one.
The only sure thing about selecting a World XV is that BBBR would be in it.
Yep, spot on. I suspect Rieko would be as well.
I imagine that all outside of NZ would have Pocock too. I know he's labelled a bit of a one-trick pony here, but you add that to a more balanced back row (big ball carrying 8, stronger tall timber 6) and that is one hell of a back row.
Pocock and Hooper together is a poorly balanced back row regardless of who else is on the pitch.
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@crucial said in World rugby 15:
@billy-tell said in World rugby 15:
@booboo said in World rugby 15:
@yeahtheboys said in World rugby 15:
- Joe Moody
- Malcom Marx
- Tagdh Furlong
- BBBR
- Sam Whitelock
- David Pocock
- Sean Obrein
- Kieran Read
- Conor Murray
- Beauden Barrett
- Rieko Ioane
- Owen Farrell
- Kurtley Beale
- Ben Smith
- Israel Folau
Reserves
Creevy
Vunipola
Kepu
Itoje
Wyn Jones?
Smith
Sexton
Dmac? (For world 15)Murray: one trick pony: good box kick. I'd lean towards Genia. Smith is not up to pre toilet standards yet.
Smith: one trick pony: fast pass.
Honestly, I know we hate the Irish style of rugby, but when it comes to controlling a game and slowly but surely strangling the life out of an opponent, even if you fall alseep watching, Murray and Sexton are up there with the best.
This sums up what makes selecting a World XV difficult. No use having instinctive fast backs with slow pivots and vice-versa.
Imagine AS racing to follow a breakdown and firing the ball quickly to Sexton. Sexton would be thinking 'FFS man, give me a chance to work out what to do'
BB would be screaming at CM 'Why did you kick it you moron?'
It's a team sport and the team needs to be able to gel as one.
The only sure thing about selecting a World XV is that BBBR would be in it.
Fcuking hilariouse. The look on Sextons face would be priceless
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@billy-tell said in World rugby 15:
@booboo said in World rugby 15:
@yeahtheboys said in World rugby 15:
- Joe Moody
- Malcom Marx
- Tagdh Furlong
- BBBR
- Sam Whitelock
- David Pocock
- Sean Obrein
- Kieran Read
- Conor Murray
- Beauden Barrett
- Rieko Ioane
- Owen Farrell
- Kurtley Beale
- Ben Smith
- Israel Folau
Reserves
Creevy
Vunipola
Kepu
Itoje
Wyn Jones?
Smith
Sexton
Dmac? (For world 15)Murray: one trick pony: good box kick. I'd lean towards Genia. Smith is not up to pre toilet standards yet.
Smith: one trick pony: fast pass.
Honestly, I know we hate the Irish style of rugby, but when it comes to controlling a game and slowly but surely strangling the life out of an opponent, even if you fall alseep watching, Murray and Sexton are up there with the best.
That's why I went Genia
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@Billy-Tell oh yeah, and pre-toilet Smith was an excellent runner as well with a pretty good box kick.
3 tricks
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Pfft
Easy peasy
15 Folau
14 Thomas
13 Ringrose
12 O Farrell
11 B Smith
10 Sexton
9 Genia
8 Read
7 Pocock
6 POM
5 Whitelock
4 Retallick
3 Furlong
2 Creevy
1 Moody16 Coles
17 Healy
18 Tui
19 Ryan
20 Nakawara
21 A Smith
22 Barrett
23 E Daly -
I'm unsure why are so many people picking are Genia? He's only been good occasionally for a while now and often pretty average, even a slightly out of form Smith is more effective, regardless of the teams they play for.
Actually I'm bemused that Smith is getting some crap on here - he's been pretty good in general, I think people are starting to take for granted the work he does in marshalling the team around the field and making the right play more often than from the ruck.
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@billy-tell said in World rugby 15:
Honestly, I know we hate the Irish style of rugby, but when it comes to controlling a game and slowly but surely strangling the life out of an opponent, even if you fall alseep watching, Murray and Sexton are up there with the best.
Eh, no We all don’t hate...
Your bias undies are showing again, BT. That guy who killed your cat has a lot to answer for. 😏
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@derm-mccrum No Rieko in the 23 at all? At the very least I'd suggest Rieko would make the 23 jersey as Barrett and Ben Smith can cover fullback.
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@kiwimurph said in World rugby 15:
@derm-mccrum No Rieko in the 23 at all? At the very least I'd suggest Rieko would make the 23 jersey as Barrett and Ben Smith can cover fullback.
Fair enough. Was trying to think of a solid utility 23 to cover off back injury options. Daly covers midfield, wing and FB.
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@kiwimurph said in World rugby 15:
@derm-mccrum No Rieko in the 23 at all? At the very least I'd suggest Rieko would make the 23 jersey as Barrett and Ben Smith can cover fullback.
I'd suggest that Reiko would make the 11 jersey considering he's the premier wing in the world and as far as I know Ben Smith has never played on the left?
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@derm-mccrum said in World rugby 15:
Pfft
Easy peasy
15 Folau
14 Thomas
13 Ringrose
12 O Farrell
11 B Smith
10 Sexton
9 Genia
8 Read
7 Pocock
6 POM
5 Whitelock
4 Retallick
3 Furlong
2 Creevy
1 Moody16 Coles
17 Healy
18 Tui
19 Ryan
20 Nakawara
21 A Smith
22 Barrett
23 E DalyFor the fun of it, let's assume that teams plays the current AB team and we get to carbon copy the AB's in the team you selected.
I Still think the Ab's would win
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Quite a mature response to a world xv thread, everyone on here is getting old .......
I agree that Retallick and Ioane are the two un-challenged best players in their positions in the world.
Everyone else is worthy of argument, depending on styles of play and national bias etc.
There are some seriously good players out there, from other countries, though who do have some serious flaws in the core roles though, who seem to watlz into many paper world XVs. Cough Scud Marx and Butterscrum Furlong.
Marx looks like a seriously good player, but gee that 0-57 with him spraying lineout throws everywhere still puts an asterisk against his claims IMO.
One thing that Marx really highlights for me though is the obsolete role of the specialist 7 turnover specialist, sorry Pocock.
Hooker, IMO, is the second most important role on the field. I can't select a guy for my national team let alone a world XV that you can't rely on for 90 to 95% lineout accuracy.
