Crusaders 2019
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@shark I think samu would’ve played for abs if he got selected. I think he knew he was never going to , so took the opportunity when Aussie came calling. Mike alaalatoa is another one. Do u think he would turn down an all blacks jersey
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@chchfanatic Well he's Australian, so i expect he would.
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@nepia why not. He didnt choose where he was born. Just like any of the PI boys that have played for all blacks.
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@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2019:
@nepia why not. He didnt choose where he was born. Just like any of the PI boys that have played for all blacks.
What relevance do NZers of PI descent have to do with an Australian possibly wanting to play for NZ. Your dream of country franchises is silly.
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@nepia so sivivatu and rokocoko were born in nz
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@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2019:
@nepia so sivivatu and rokocoko were born in nz
Oh right, so you're just trolling. Carry on then.
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@nepia no not at all. All I’m saying if it’s ok for us to let PI born players play for NZ , then why not a Aussie born kid ( who obviously didn’t get to choose where he was born ) if he fills the required residency etc
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@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2019:
@nepia no not at all. All I’m saying if it’s ok for us to let PI born players play for NZ , then why not a Aussie born kid ( who obviously didn’t get to choose where he was born ) if he fills the required residency etc
It's not ok to let PI born players who arrive as adults (Roks is completely different, Frizell is likely a better example) play for NZ, it's allowable under the current WR regulations but we shouldn't actively do it, we don't need to, we have enough talent.
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@chchfanatic There are Crusaders academies in Christchurch and Nelson - presume the names you've listed are the recruits in Christchurch? This old article thrown up by google says 44 players in the two academies in 2015.
https://crusaders.co.nz/news/817-crusaders-academy-to-grow-talent-base
Seems a bit strange to me that the Crusaders would choose to develop an Aussie kid - especially one whose dad works for the ARU. Wonder if there's a quid pro quo going on there?
Conversely to @shark I reckon Alaalatoa will play for the ABs in the next 18 months - provided Hansen thinks he's better than JTA - and given the way he's given loosehead Tim Perry precedence, he probably does.
But, I tend to agree with @Nepia that we shouldn't be encouraging this sort of treachery. Before we know it, the English will be using an army of NZ mercenaries against us.
Not to mention the Western Province!
@MiketheSnow
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I've not been able to find any info on the national background of Frost's parents or on where he was born. That Frost's father works for the ARU doesn't mean anything. The ARU has a Kiwi as a CEO, too.
Eidt: But I agree, we shouldn't develop young Aussies if there's a chance they go back to play for Australia. Having said that, there are plenty of foreigners in Mitre 10 Cup, including test players. Tony Lamborn is also a Kiwi, so I've no problem with that, but there others who are not.
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@stargazer born in Sydney. Dads a Pom and Mum an Aussie
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@chchfanatic Then it's a
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I just don't see the point in it the more I think about it. Assuming I'm correct in my assertion that he'll split after three years, then all we've potentially done is develop a lock for the Wallabies. I'd damn sure wana get my pound of flesh from this punk for the Red n Blacks before he bails as some kind of return on investment. And that's about the best we can hope for. Potentially - and this is the category I put M Alaalatoa in - he becomes a good provincial player and decent SR player and hangs around for a bit longer as he can't crack internationals. But we know full well - ala Pete Samu - that the Wallabies' lower standards/lesser depth will likely draw him home before he ever gets a shot at the ABs, should he even choose to naturalise. What is far, far less likely, is that Frost suddenly decides he's a Kiwi, qualifies via residency AND is good enough to play for New Zealand.
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Isn’t the Crusaders purpose to win championships? Their job is to sign the best talent they can to help win the title every year. Super Rugby teams are looking everywhere for talent nowadays, a player with prior connections to Christchurch, huge talent & speed at first five is a pretty attractive proposition no matter who he might allege to in the future, I don’t think it would even be a consideration for them. I’d be more worried about the growing trend of signing Australian Super Rugby players to our M10 sides to prop them up as more experienced M10 & Super Rugby players take contracts in Japan over playing M10.
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@trooa You seem to be confusing the newly signed first five-eighth Campbelll Parata with lock Nick Frost signed in October 2017? Parata was born in NZ and is coming home; nobody seems to have a problem with the Crusaders signing him. The signing of Frost raises more questions as (going by the limited info we have) he doesn't seem to have any prior links with NZ and it may well be that the Crusaders are developing a player who may end up playing against them (for an Aussie SR team, needed to become eligible for Australia) as well as against NZ (if he gets selected by the Wallabies). Let's hope the Crusaders first get some benefit from developing him if, and before, he decides to head back home to Oz. If he's as good as they thought he was when they signed him.
