Crusaders 2019
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I'll give you a similar yet contrasting experience as reasons why Frost would take this avenue. Pete Samu VS Peter Betham. Samu came over, stuck at it and after several seasons rising through the Ta$man and Crusaders ranks has gone home a far more accomplished player. Peter Betham made a big impact for Ta$man one season, enhanced his Aussie SR prospects so went back for another crack at it and did F all. I'm fairly sure Frost is using our system for the same reason but will take full advantage of it ala Samu.
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Remember when Skelton's brother signed with the Chiefs (development) with large fanfare? What happened to him? Is he still around?
On Frost - I don't want him playing for NZ after residency ... I hope he goes back to Australia and hasn't blocked a local Cantab (or NZer) from a spot on the advancement pathway.
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@shark I think samu would’ve played for abs if he got selected. I think he knew he was never going to , so took the opportunity when Aussie came calling. Mike alaalatoa is another one. Do u think he would turn down an all blacks jersey
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@chchfanatic Well he's Australian, so i expect he would.
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@nepia why not. He didnt choose where he was born. Just like any of the PI boys that have played for all blacks.
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@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2019:
@nepia why not. He didnt choose where he was born. Just like any of the PI boys that have played for all blacks.
What relevance do NZers of PI descent have to do with an Australian possibly wanting to play for NZ. Your dream of country franchises is silly.
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@nepia so sivivatu and rokocoko were born in nz
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@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2019:
@nepia so sivivatu and rokocoko were born in nz
Oh right, so you're just trolling. Carry on then.
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@nepia no not at all. All I’m saying if it’s ok for us to let PI born players play for NZ , then why not a Aussie born kid ( who obviously didn’t get to choose where he was born ) if he fills the required residency etc
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@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2019:
@nepia no not at all. All I’m saying if it’s ok for us to let PI born players play for NZ , then why not a Aussie born kid ( who obviously didn’t get to choose where he was born ) if he fills the required residency etc
It's not ok to let PI born players who arrive as adults (Roks is completely different, Frizell is likely a better example) play for NZ, it's allowable under the current WR regulations but we shouldn't actively do it, we don't need to, we have enough talent.
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@chchfanatic There are Crusaders academies in Christchurch and Nelson - presume the names you've listed are the recruits in Christchurch? This old article thrown up by google says 44 players in the two academies in 2015.
https://crusaders.co.nz/news/817-crusaders-academy-to-grow-talent-base
Seems a bit strange to me that the Crusaders would choose to develop an Aussie kid - especially one whose dad works for the ARU. Wonder if there's a quid pro quo going on there?
Conversely to @shark I reckon Alaalatoa will play for the ABs in the next 18 months - provided Hansen thinks he's better than JTA - and given the way he's given loosehead Tim Perry precedence, he probably does.
But, I tend to agree with @Nepia that we shouldn't be encouraging this sort of treachery. Before we know it, the English will be using an army of NZ mercenaries against us.
Not to mention the Western Province!
@MiketheSnow
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I've not been able to find any info on the national background of Frost's parents or on where he was born. That Frost's father works for the ARU doesn't mean anything. The ARU has a Kiwi as a CEO, too.
Eidt: But I agree, we shouldn't develop young Aussies if there's a chance they go back to play for Australia. Having said that, there are plenty of foreigners in Mitre 10 Cup, including test players. Tony Lamborn is also a Kiwi, so I've no problem with that, but there others who are not.
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@stargazer born in Sydney. Dads a Pom and Mum an Aussie
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@chchfanatic Then it's a
from me.
