Parker v ??
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@chris-b and maybe that is the problem right there, their relationship is too close and Barr isnt able to give him the required kicks up the arse, or when he does, JP doesnt take it as seriously as he should
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@taniwharugby Seems a bit "I know everything that needs to be done".
I haven't seen the fight, but reading the Stuff commentary it seems like the expected fitness advantage to Parker didn't materialize.
Most pundits were saying that the longer the fight went, the more it would favour Parker. But, the commentary was talking about Parker looking tired in about Round 7.
So if Whyte is bigger, more aggressive and almost as fit, that's a lot in his advantage.
Doesn't sound like Joe was prepared perfectly.
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@chris-b Anthony Joshua last week was predicting Parker would run out of puff - what would he know eh?
It pretty much went as I expected. It has been apparent for a long time that Parker couldn't make the step up from fighting bums to being competitive at the upper echelon.
He's simply a journeyman who got lucky then got found out.
Not helped at all by Barry's obvious limitations as a trainer and the fact that Team Parker is the gravy train for Barry and Higgins. Not accusing them of being the traditional scum leeches boxing attracts but they are way to close to JP.
Higgins has actually managed Parker to two good paydays - time to retire and count the millions
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I always felt joe was more a manufactured boxer than a natural one ,
You get the same thing in rugby , where you get natural footballers that play the game in front of them , instinctive , it all comes natural ,
Joe never quite had that look about him for me ,not at the higher level, had some good athletic traits but the boxing skills didn't flow out of him, and when in deep water , he looked confused.
But he fought at the top level and won a world title , not many kiwis have achieved that , so still deserves credit for achieving that . -
@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
I always felt joe was more a manufactured boxer than a natural one ,
You get the same thing in rugby , where you get natural footballers that play the game in front of them , instinctive , it all comes natural ,
Joe never quite had that look about him for me ,not at the higher level, had some good athletic traits but the boxing skills didn't flow out of him, and when in deep water , he looked confused.
But he fought at the top level and won a world title , not many kiwis have achieved that , so still deserves credit for achieving that .I hope he's been smart enough to salt some of his winnings away
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And with Jeff horns humiliating defeat to Terrence Crawford a few weeks back ,
Duco must be feeling like they have gone from the penthouse to the shithouse almost over night .
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How much of this analysis is being done without watching the whole fight?
I haven't seen it either but from some of what I have read the headbutt JP took certainly had an effect of the way the fight went after that.
I'm not saying he was robbed just that comments about his abilities should maybe take that into account.
One thing apparent about the preparation of JP is that there always seems to be hindsight reasons after a loss or tough fight. It's like there isn't enough contingency and mental training for when things don't go to plan which is bizarre when you consider how rarely a fight matches the pre-fight predictions and how often outside factors such as refs can influence how it goes on the night.
They knew Whyte was a brawler but didn't appear to plan for the inevitable low blow or accidental head clash. -
The headbutt imho would have had bugger all impact. Looked more like a clash of heads than a full on head butt
I watched the fight pretty closely and big thing for me in this fight, and a lot of previous Parker fights was the inability to adapt during the fight. I’m not sure whether it’s Kevin Barry not being able to identify the need to make changes mid fight, not being able to communicate it, or JP being able to execute what he’s being told.
Was a pretty good fight to watch tho despite Parker’s frustrating performance. Would have been interesting to see him open up in the 10th or 11th round like he did in the 12th but hell both he and Whyte were pretty dam tired. Who knows how it would have panned out
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Was 90th anniversary of Tom Heeney's challenge against Gene Tunney last Thursday.
RNZ has some pieces from the Sound Archives. Commentary around NZ (3,000 outside the YA station in Heeney's native Gisborne) was a relayed morse code report!
Heeney retired to Miami where he bought a bar and used to go fishing with Hemingway
Hard Rock from Down Under: NZ's 1928 boxing world title fight
Tom Heeney's attempt to challenge the world heavyweight title - 90 years and three days before Joseph Parker's loss last Sunday - was a national sensation, but Heeney moved to Miami to fish with Ernest Hemingway.
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@dogmeat said in Parker v ??:
Was 90th anniversary of Tom Heeney's challenge against Gene Tunney last Thursday.
RNZ has some pieces from the Sound Archives. Commentary around NZ (3,000 outside the YA station in Heeney's native Gisborne) was a relayed morse code report!
Heeney retired to Miami where he bought a bar and used to go fishing with Hemingway
Hard Rock from Down Under: NZ's 1928 boxing world title fight
Tom Heeney's attempt to challenge the world heavyweight title - 90 years and three days before Joseph Parker's loss last Sunday - was a national sensation, but Heeney moved to Miami to fish with Ernest Hemingway.
....and of course Tunney is famous for beating Jack Dempsey on two occasions! That's legendary.
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@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@dogmeat said in Parker v ??:
Was 90th anniversary of Tom Heeney's challenge against Gene Tunney last Thursday.
RNZ has some pieces from the Sound Archives. Commentary around NZ (3,000 outside the YA station in Heeney's native Gisborne) was a relayed morse code report!
Heeney retired to Miami where he bought a bar and used to go fishing with Hemingway
Hard Rock from Down Under: NZ's 1928 boxing world title fight
Tom Heeney's attempt to challenge the world heavyweight title - 90 years and three days before Joseph Parker's loss last Sunday - was a national sensation, but Heeney moved to Miami to fish with Ernest Hemingway.
....and of course Tunney is famous for beating Jack Dempsey on two occasions! That's legendary.
And played against the 1921 Boks ....
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@nepia said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@dogmeat said in Parker v ??:
Was 90th anniversary of Tom Heeney's challenge against Gene Tunney last Thursday.
RNZ has some pieces from the Sound Archives. Commentary around NZ (3,000 outside the YA station in Heeney's native Gisborne) was a relayed morse code report!
Heeney retired to Miami where he bought a bar and used to go fishing with Hemingway
Hard Rock from Down Under: NZ's 1928 boxing world title fight
Tom Heeney's attempt to challenge the world heavyweight title - 90 years and three days before Joseph Parker's loss last Sunday - was a national sensation, but Heeney moved to Miami to fish with Ernest Hemingway.
....and of course Tunney is famous for beating Jack Dempsey on two occasions! That's legendary.
And played against the 1921 Boks ....
No he didn't
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@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@nepia said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@dogmeat said in Parker v ??:
Was 90th anniversary of Tom Heeney's challenge against Gene Tunney last Thursday.
RNZ has some pieces from the Sound Archives. Commentary around NZ (3,000 outside the YA station in Heeney's native Gisborne) was a relayed morse code report!
Heeney retired to Miami where he bought a bar and used to go fishing with Hemingway
Hard Rock from Down Under: NZ's 1928 boxing world title fight
Tom Heeney's attempt to challenge the world heavyweight title - 90 years and three days before Joseph Parker's loss last Sunday - was a national sensation, but Heeney moved to Miami to fish with Ernest Hemingway.
....and of course Tunney is famous for beating Jack Dempsey on two occasions! That's legendary.
And played against the 1921 Boks ....
No he didn't
Whoops, my bad, I just skim read and thought it was still Heeney being discussed.
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@nepia said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@nepia said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@dogmeat said in Parker v ??:
Was 90th anniversary of Tom Heeney's challenge against Gene Tunney last Thursday.
RNZ has some pieces from the Sound Archives. Commentary around NZ (3,000 outside the YA station in Heeney's native Gisborne) was a relayed morse code report!
Heeney retired to Miami where he bought a bar and used to go fishing with Hemingway
Hard Rock from Down Under: NZ's 1928 boxing world title fight
Tom Heeney's attempt to challenge the world heavyweight title - 90 years and three days before Joseph Parker's loss last Sunday - was a national sensation, but Heeney moved to Miami to fish with Ernest Hemingway.
....and of course Tunney is famous for beating Jack Dempsey on two occasions! That's legendary.
And played against the 1921 Boks ....
No he didn't
Whoops, my bad, I just skim read and thought it was still Heeney being discussed.
We're both right.
I bet Tunney went his whole life without even seeing a Rugby ball.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/combat-sports/105912225/former-duco-chief-martin-snedden-urges-joseph-parker-to-quit-boxing
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@dogmeat said in Parker v ??:
Was 90th anniversary of Tom Heeney's challenge against Gene Tunney last Thursday.
RNZ has some pieces from the Sound Archives. Commentary around NZ (3,000 outside the YA station in Heeney's native Gisborne) was a relayed morse code report!
Heeney retired to Miami where he bought a bar and used to go fishing with Hemingway
Hard Rock from Down Under: NZ's 1928 boxing world title fight
Tom Heeney's attempt to challenge the world heavyweight title - 90 years and three days before Joseph Parker's loss last Sunday - was a national sensation, but Heeney moved to Miami to fish with Ernest Hemingway.
That was very cool. Cheers.
Better footage than my internet feed last weekend.
The change in size of the heavyweight fighters has been extraordinary.
Now if only Heeney had opened a Cafe not a bar 😉
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@mikethesnow said in Parker v ??:
@dogmeat said in Parker v ??:
Was 90th anniversary of Tom Heeney's challenge against Gene Tunney last Thursday.
RNZ has some pieces from the Sound Archives. Commentary around NZ (3,000 outside the YA station in Heeney's native Gisborne) was a relayed morse code report!
Heeney retired to Miami where he bought a bar and used to go fishing with Hemingway
Hard Rock from Down Under: NZ's 1928 boxing world title fight
Tom Heeney's attempt to challenge the world heavyweight title - 90 years and three days before Joseph Parker's loss last Sunday - was a national sensation, but Heeney moved to Miami to fish with Ernest Hemingway.
That was very cool. Cheers.
Better footage than my internet feed last weekend.
The change in size of the heavyweight fighters has been extraordinary.
Now if only Heeney had opened a Cafe not a bar 😉
I don't think the change has been as noticable as other sports. The heavyweight division has always thrown up a few freaks. I reckon Jim Jeffries (fighter, not comedian) would do ok nowadays. He fought at 6 2 and about 100kg over a hundred years ago although obviously today he'd be considered merely big as opposed to gigantic.
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Higgins is considering appealing the result. If Joe is serious about continuing his career this is not the way to go.
The headbutt should not have been scored as a knock down and Joe should have won that round 10-9. Allegedly...They are claiming it should have been a draw.
Meanwhile Whyte is pouring salt on the wound, that big Himalayan shit with the bit of pepper in it too, by saying his ribs were broken and his hand was fucked a few weeks out from the fight. He claims to have beaten Parker while broken.
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@raznomore Lets be honest everyone moans about injuries after fights.
