2018 Football World Cup
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@mikethesnow said in 2018 Football World Cup:
Lukaku was fucking useless and rightly substituted after fluffing two sitters.
I only watched the 30 min highlights but he was bad. I bet Henry was thinking I would have scored those goals in my sleep.
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@mikethesnow said in 2018 Football World Cup:
That's it
2-0 to Belgium. Should have been 4-0. If not 5
Hoddle is a lovely bloke but a dinosaur
'How are we going to develop younger playmakers? Belgium have done it, France have done it, Spain have done it'
Because the Premiership pays for their best to learn and perfect their craft
Would Hoddle rather be in the position of Italy or the Netherlands? They can hardly be said to be unable to develop players.
You can't develop great international players. They come along when the come. If Gareth Bale had been born 200 km east England would be looking a lot sweeter.
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@chester-draws said in 2018 Football World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2018 Football World Cup:
That's it
2-0 to Belgium. Should have been 4-0. If not 5
Hoddle is a lovely bloke but a dinosaur
'How are we going to develop younger playmakers? Belgium have done it, France have done it, Spain have done it'
Because the Premiership pays for their best to learn and perfect their craft
Would Hoddle rather be in the position of Italy or the Netherlands? They can hardly be said to be unable to develop players.
You can't develop great international players. They come along when the come. If Gareth Bale had been born 200 km east England would be looking a lot sweeter.
Are the 10 other English players that much better than their Welsh counterparts?
I don't think so.
And as a consequence a semi-final loss at a major Championship is about right
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And we're off
France, comfortably in regulation
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@mikethesnow Gareth Bale was born in the same country as Harry Kane, sport notwithstanding there is no Nation of Wales. He was developed by the English. Yet the system "doesn't develop local players", because their best one happens to be Welsh.
If England and Wales combined, as they actually should under FIFA rules, they would be better. Given that the home nations no longer play each other, which was the reason for separate teams, they should play as GB.
Extrapolating about how good your national system is based on the best 11 players at any one point is idiotic. But especially if you ignore all the other good players that system produces.
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@chester-draws said in 2018 Football World Cup:
@mikethesnow Gareth Bale was born in the same country as Harry Kane, sport notwithstanding there is no Nation of Wales. He was developed by the English. Yet the system "doesn't develop local players", because their best one happens to be Welsh.
If England and Wales combined, as they actually should under FIFA rules, they would be better. Given that the home nations no longer play each other, which was the reason for separate teams, they should play as GB.
Extrapolating about how good your national system is based on the best 11 players at any one point is idiotic. But especially if you ignore all the other good players that system produces.
He's still developing so add the Welsh set up and Real Madrid to the mix.
We're not the only Principality in UEFA and FIFA
Hasn't got us any further at Olympic level
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Quality match - feel for the Croats big time, what a stage to be on, but ultimately Big game players win big games.
Lots of parallels to the champions league final. Underdogs took it to them, but top class players had top class moments.
Fantastic World Cup
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@mikethesnow said in 2018 Football World Cup:
Are the 10 other English players that much better than their Welsh counterparts?
I don't think so.
Are you serious or taking the piss?
I’m no expert on Welsh football, so let’s say Kane and Bale cancel each other out.
Who are the 10 Welsh equivalents?
Genuinely interested!
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@majorrage I'll leave to @MiketheSnow to give you comparisons but Ramsey is better than any of the English midfielders. For a start, he can actually pass the ball!
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@majorrage said in 2018 Football World Cup:
@mikethesnow said in 2018 Football World Cup:
Are the 10 other English players that much better than their Welsh counterparts?
I don't think so.
Are you serious or taking the piss?
I’m no expert on Welsh football, so let’s say Kane and Bale cancel each other out.
Who are the 10 Welsh equivalents?
Genuinely interested!
Serious.
Wales and England were in the same group for Euro 2016.
England beat Wales 2-1 in the group stages, but Wales advanced to the knockout stages and England crashed out after losing to Iceland.
Wales beat Belgium 3-1 in the QF and lost to eventual winners Portugal in the SF.
Wales have a few marquee players like Bale, Ramsey, Joe Allen and Ashley Williams with the rest solid Premiership and Championship players who fly under the radar in comparison with the English rank & file because they're not playing for England.
Collectively England and Wales are quite evenly matched despite the enormous gulf in player numbers to select from.
England's run in this WC was very reminiscent of Wales' run in the Euros. Neither team expected to do much, both overachieving and reaching the SF stage.
And before you jump back and say one was Europe and the other the World, the class of opponent was very similar.
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@mikethesnow ok I’m not comparing tournament runs - im well aware if those and not going to devalue the euros.
Your claim was that Wales had 10 players as good as their English counterparts - not thst the team was as good.
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@majorrage said in 2018 Football World Cup:
@mikethesnow ok I’m not comparing tournament runs - im well aware if those and not going to devalue the euros.
Your claim was that Wales had 10 players as good as their English counterparts - not thst the team was as good.
Surely that's where England and other international and club sides have gone wrong in the past and not so recent past.
On paper if you compared this WC England '10' with the Euro 16 Wales '10' then the majority of English players would be ranked better, paid more and playing for better club sides than their Welsh counterparts.
But the game is played on grass not paper.
As recent results head to head have shown they're not significantly better as a team than Wales despite the above and the massive difference in talent pool from which to choose from.
I would argue that if you swapped Bale, Ramsey, Allen and Williams with their English counterparts then that revamped England side would thump Wales.
So some better, some the same, and some worse to give an overall picture of parity with either side able to beat each other on the day.
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