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@nepia said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
my wife's incredibly sexy friend is half Filipino?
Is the other half Czech?
Spanish?
@hooroo said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
Their hookers are awesome!!
Wait! Did I say that out loud?
I thought mariner made that point earlier, if somewhat more tactfully.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Boxingball:
@pukunui said in Boxingball:
Still a bitch move to start a brawl like that with a cheap elbow then run away while your mates are getting piled into on the ground. What did he expect to happen when he threw that elbow to the side of the guys head?
Not saying the Philo players are innocent here by the way. Pretty fucked from them too but there is no moral high ground for anyone to claim here.One of the Filipino players threw a fucking chair at a guy's head. Australia not innocent but the Filipinos were the ones who escalated it to ridiculously levels.
Run away? Ffs he had the little dude smack him with a flying punch and then as he backed away he received a haymaker and had about five guys on him. But I'm sure you would have just gone toe to toe with the entire team right?
Haha where the hell did i mention what i would have done? One thing I definitely wouldn't have done is smack a guy in the side of the head in a cheap shot.
Agree the philippines guys were feral. Looked like more than the players too. Pretty sure i saw someone from the crowd trying to get in on it at one point.
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@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@nepia said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
my wife's incredibly sexy friend is half Filipino?
Is the other half Czech?
Spanish?
@hooroo said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
Their hookers are awesome!!
Wait! Did I say that out loud?
I thought mariner made that point earlier, if somewhat more tactfully.
i absolutely did not
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@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@nepia said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
my wife's incredibly sexy friend is half Filipino?
Is the other half Czech?
Spanish?
@hooroo said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
Their hookers are awesome!!
Wait! Did I say that out loud?
I thought mariner made that point earlier, if somewhat more tactfully.
You're right and I'm unfashionably late to this party... dammit
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Here's a take. Australia travel to one of the most violent countries on Earth, have the (spiteful, yet refereed) game in the bag and an Aussie player (before the refs decision regarding a crass foul by a Philipino) attacks an opponent with a forearm to the face.
Philipinos are understandably pissed off and a fight erupts. Not a 1950s movie fight where everyone shake hands and buys a beer, but a real fight in the real world. You want to fight at a home stadium in a lawless country then you better be prepare for some real violence. Otherwise, take the win, let the ref control the game and go home with the points.
Root cause of this debacle is the Aussie hero who decides that he'll attack a face and nothing else will happen.
As for the selfie, no relevance at all to the fight, but a good opportunity to spout moral high ground.
Poor Australia, acted like fluffybunnies but those Philipino are the disgrace for not taking shit, yeah right
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@siam said in Boxingball:
Here's a take. Australia travel to one of the most violent countries on Earth, have the (spiteful, yet refereed) game in the bag and an Aussie player (before the refs decision regarding a crass foul by a Philipino) attacks an opponent with a forearm to the face.
Philipinos are understandably pissed off and a fight erupts. Not a 1950s movie fight where everyone shake hands and buys a beer, but a real fight in the real world. You want to fight at a home stadium in a lawless country then you better be prepare for some real violence. Otherwise, take the win, let the ref control the game and go home with the points.
Root cause of this debacle is the Aussie hero who decides that he'll attack a face and nothing else will happen.
As for the selfie, no relevance at all to the fight, but a good opportunity to spout moral high ground.
Poor Australia, acted like fluffybunnies but those Philipino are the disgrace for not taking shit, yeah right
Yep of course. Those primitive 3rd world monkeys couldnt help themselves hey? No accountability, violence is just in their nature?
That response was absolutely disgusting regardless of where it took place.
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@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
I’ve worked with a few of the years and they were all good fluffybunnies but they are like I Thai people I’ve worked with are-all humble and smiles and laid back until you fuck with them and then it’s going to be a very bad day.
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@siam said in Boxingball:
Poor Australia, acted like fluffybunnies but those Philipino are the disgrace for not taking shit, yeah right
I don't disagree with a lot of your post - our bloke started the fight. It was a pretty nasty elbow and he deserved to be ejected, and maybe suspended.
I'm not sure if what happened after that point was proportional to the original act, though.
The Aussies aren't blameless, and a few of our players don't deserve much sympathy. But to excuse the actions of the Filipinos because 'they didn't start it' is pretty ridiculous.
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Lets not let facts and discussion of the incident detract TSF from the time honoured tradition of tarring everyone for the actions of a few.
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@jegga said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
the smiling on-court selfie from their team afterwards defies belief. You've just had your entire team ejected or fouled out, while down by 30, that massive fight happened, and you take a fucking team selfie? What the actual fuck?
Apart from cleaners, can anyone point to anything good coming out of the Philippines? They voted in Duterte ffs.
I’ve worked with a few of the years and they were all good fluffybunnies but they are like I Thai people I’ve worked with are-all humble and smiles and laid back until you fuck with them and then it’s going to be a very bad day.
And they are crazy for basketball. It is the national sport, they are super passionate about it
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one of my good mates is Filipino, top guy, any time I mention I am doing a big job at home he offers to help, met a few of his Filipino mates too, great guys always offer to help with anything, and yep, they all love basketball!
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@taniwharugby said in Boxingball:
one of my good mates is Filipino, top guy, any time I mention I am doing a big job at home he offers to help, met a few of his Filipino mates too, great guys always offer to help with anything, and yep, they all love basketball!
aaawww, how heartwarming. And here i thought all Filipinos were psychotic basketball brawlers #notallfilipinos
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@mariner4life well thats cos you are an Aussie bigot!
as an aside, I am sure there are Filipino cnuts just like @MN5 but we cant hold that against them all now can we? Can we??
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@barbarian said in Boxingball:
@siam said in Boxingball:
Poor Australia, acted like fluffybunnies but those Philipino are the disgrace for not taking shit, yeah right
I don't disagree with a lot of your post - our bloke started the fight. It was a pretty nasty elbow and he deserved to be ejected, and maybe suspended.
I'm not sure if what happened after that point was proportional to the original act, though.
The Aussies aren't blameless, and a few of our players don't deserve much sympathy. But to excuse the actions of the Filipinos because 'they didn't start it' is pretty ridiculous.
You're correct there is no excuse for the retaliation of the Philipinos, and we agree on pretty much all the factors at play.
Please let me explain why I think the Philipino reaction pails in insignificance to the Aussie elbow to the head.
Watching that footage was not one bit surprising to anyone who's ever seen a melee. There was nothing particularly outrageous about this melee, I've been in some before and they are fucking scary and infectious. It was no different to many all in brawls we've all seen in all cultures from local sports to politicians to football hooligans and political protests.
It lasted about 2-5 minutes which is probably a bit short, but it was no more noteworthy than the 100,000 odd, melees on you tube and all the ones we've seen on telly or the net.
Yet the tut tutting and outrage that a group of emotionally charged players and spectators behaved in a typically human way in such circumstances is pretty naieve in my opinion. Granted I've spent most of my life with these people so I'm no stranger to the non triviality of violence.
The typical human behviour from this group was also deplorable and horribly excessive.
But this behaviour, from any group, is not going to go away by virtue of our outrage, condemnation or appeals to decency.
That's a sad state of affairs for sure, but no less truthful or realistic.
So I don't condem the crowd, fuck man that country is so corrupt and hard that it's like condemning the lion that bites the tourist on a range in Africa. You won't get any more than 10% of the Philippine poulation to agree that the crowd was wrong to retaliate in the manner they did.
Most will say "serves them right", probably for throwing the first punch.So that's why in the midst of proper shitty behaviour from both camps, I think the spotlight here should be shined on the first punch because that's what caused the shit and that is far easier to remedy than a tribes penchant for such violence.
That's the lesson here for me, in this nonsense situation. Not lecturing 103 million people about why dummy spitting is bad but reminding our kids that punching people in the face is an act that should be very carefully considered.
I know you stated that really clearly Barbarian, and as I say I agree but it's more of shame on the tourist leaning out of the car than shame on the Lion (to stretch a metaphor), for me.
Expecting violence to go away because of your feelings or bemaoning "this shouldn't happen" does nothing. Neither does assuming (or demanding) a group exhibits the same attitudes as you.
Hopefully the kid, (who punches then runs while his teammates get a hiding), has learnt a lesson about how unideal the world actually is
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This is disgusting. These guys are meant to be athletes yet, from watching movies and TV most of my life, I happen to know that even 5ft tall 45kg women can execute precise takedowns and accurate deadly punches.
This looks like a brawl of spazzy 5yr olds. Punches that miss, unco looking leaps and kicks.....
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Boxingball:
@siam said in Boxingball:
Here's a take. Australia travel to one of the most violent countries on Earth, have the (spiteful, yet refereed) game in the bag and an Aussie player (before the refs decision regarding a crass foul by a Philipino) attacks an opponent with a forearm to the face.
Philipinos are understandably pissed off and a fight erupts. Not a 1950s movie fight where everyone shake hands and buys a beer, but a real fight in the real world. You want to fight at a home stadium in a lawless country then you better be prepare for some real violence. Otherwise, take the win, let the ref control the game and go home with the points.
Root cause of this debacle is the Aussie hero who decides that he'll attack a face and nothing else will happen.
As for the selfie, no relevance at all to the fight, but a good opportunity to spout moral high ground.
Poor Australia, acted like fluffybunnies but those Philipino are the disgrace for not taking shit, yeah right
Yep of course. Those primitive 3rd world monkeys couldnt help themselves hey? No accountability, violence is just in their nature?
That response was absolutely disgusting regardless of where it took place.
No, yes (it's in everyone's nature, you just got to find the right buttons to push) and yes
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Without having seen the rest of the game, to get some sort of an idea of the spirit this was played in , it does remind me of an example I used on another thread, which I think is Siam's main point.
Just because something wrong happened, it doesn't necessarily make the person who instigated it, in the right. I use the football example - should a Tottenham fan be able to sit in the middle of the hardcore Arsenal fans in his Spurs shirt and cheer them? Yes of course they should, but that just simply isn't realistic and in the best interest of everybody's safety.
Should the Aussie bloke be able to elbow the Filipino player without facing any repurcussion from the opposite team / players /f ans? Yes, of course he should but once again that just isn't realistic.
Most people will know that Filipino's are amongst the most downtrodden people on the planet. From corruption at the top (which explains the reasons for the rest), to the exploitation of their workers and the civil unrest generated by some pretty outdated laws. it's a pretty flagrant society where justice is more often than not, dealt with violence.
This reaction doesn't surprise me at all.
