Springboks v England - Test #2
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Robshaw has been a great servant to English rugby playing wherever and whenever he's been asked.
He's never given less than 100% and has at times been the best English forward, English player and MOTM on the field.I went to a sports dinner 3 years ago where Fitzy & David Duckham* were speaking.
Fitzy raved about Robshaw, saying the AB's would love to have him in the team as his attitude was exactly what the AB's looked for - hating to lose, giving 110%, always respecting the opposition and never a dickhead.
*Mr Duckham (one of my boyhood heroes and one of true greats) was grace personified when I told him I'd seen him play at Athletic Park in '71 as a teenager. Rated Batty as one of the best he ever faced: "Only player I've seen who make JPR look silly". Absolutely top bloke.
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@victor-meldrew said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Robshaw has been a great servant to English rugby playing wherever and whenever he's been asked.
He's never given less than 100% and has at times been the best English forward, English player and MOTM on the field.I went to a sports dinner 3 years ago where Fitzy & David Duckham* were speaking.
Fitzy raved about Robshaw, saying the AB's would love to have him in the team as his attitude was exactly what the AB's looked for - hating to lose, giving 110%, always respecting the opposition and never a dickhead.
Yes but you also have to be a top class player...
(I find Robshaw a bit of a journeyman, at least as a 7 anyway)
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Interesting post on BBC website forum
EJ is stubborn and erratic:
- why pick Johnny Hill to tour if you don’t back him
- why no lock cover on bench
- why play Isiekwe at lock in last game when he has been blindsiding all year
- why pick Robshaw when he was clearly in need of a rest
- why play Brown out of position just to see whether Daly can slot in for him
- why not start Solomona against two debutant wingers
- why oh why
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It's actually starting to dawn on people that while EJ may have been able to fix the problems he inherited from Lancaster, he doesn't have a clue about team building or any idea about a Plan B.
Just over a year out from RWC2019, there's a growing fear that that RFU picked the wrong man 3 years ago and the 2019 England campaign will be another fiasco
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@victor-meldrew said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
It's actually starting to dawn on people that while EJ may have been able to fix the problems he inherited from Lancaster, he doesn't have a clue about team building or any idea about a Plan B.
Just over a year out from RWC2019, there's a growing fear that that RFU picked the wrong man 3 years ago and the 2019 England campaign will be another fiasco
Fingers crossed 😁
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I'm sure there's nothing to worry about. As long as Eddie keeps reassuring England Rugby supporters that losing 7 in a row is "part of the process of becoming a better side" everything will be fine
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
Interesting post on BBC website forum
EJ is stubborn and erratic:
- why pick Johnny Hill to tour if you don’t back him
- why no lock cover on bench
- why play Isiekwe at lock in last game when he has been blindsiding all year
- why pick Robshaw when he was clearly in need of a rest
- why play Brown out of position just to see whether Daly can slot in for him
- why not start Solomona against two debutant wingers
- why oh why
Why indeed to all of that.
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@victor-meldrew well if he breaks his duck by upsetting the AB's later this year no one will care
Then he will be able to say he was right, he found a way to beat the ABs, now to find a way to beat all the other teams!
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I don't know why, but the terms "starters" and "finishers" really annoys me for some reason
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
I don't know why, but the terms "starters" and "finishers" really annoys me for some reason
Starters not so much. But finishers us a bit wanky
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@mariner4life mate you should see what was on TV this morning, not supposed to call old people Elderly...oh shit, if I cant call them elderly, can I call them old people too?
People that are not young...starters and finishers is the least of your worry bro!
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@booboo said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
I don't know why, but the terms "starters" and "finishers" really annoys me for some reason
Starters not so much. But finishers us a bit wanky
But not as wanky as "Happy Enders".
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
I don't know why, but the terms "starters" and "finishers" really annoys me for some reason
In the mid 70s Liverpool FC had a player called David Fairclough.
He made his debut in 1975 and as the season progressed, Fairclough scored seven crucial goals in just 14 appearances to land Liverpool the League championship. Nine of these appearances were as substitute.
He was and is still affectionately known as 'Super Sub'
Barring injury to BB, I can see DMac having this career.
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@taniwharugby said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@victor-meldrew well if he breaks his duck by upsetting the AB's later this year no one will care
Well, I do have my suspicions about the England win in 2012. Bit of an outlier performance by the ABs which kept Lancaster in the role until RWC2015.... (insert Conspiracy Theory emoticon here...).
But seriously, the real issue with English rugby is the lack of structure for player development. We can laugh at the fact that a player who couldn't make the AB's walks into the England test team but its a pretty damning indictment of English rugby. And there seems bugger-all discussion of that here in the UK - more about what a wonderful player Shields is.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
I don't know why, but the terms "starters" and "finishers" really annoys me for some reason
100% yes!
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@cgrant said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
They should have select Curwin Bosch on the bench instead of Gelant as he can cover 10 and 15, and he is a very good goal kicker as well.
Good point cgrant. Bosch would definitely have been better cover. And one can argue he brings as much x-factor as Gelant.
Look, it may all work out well anyway... but it does feel like tempting fate a bit too much for my liking.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
I don't know why, but the terms "starters" and "finishers" really annoys me for some reason
agreed.
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@mariner4life said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
I don't know why, but the terms "starters" and "finishers" really annoys me for some reason
In the mid 70s Liverpool FC had a player called David Fairclough.
He made his debut in 1975 and as the season progressed, Fairclough scored seven crucial goals in just 14 appearances to land Liverpool the League championship. Nine of these appearances were as substitute.
He was and is still affectionately known as 'Super Sub'
Barring injury to BB, I can see DMac having this career.
BB basically had that career until his transformation in the Wales serious in 2016.
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@victor-meldrew said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@taniwharugby said in Springboks v England - Test #2:
@victor-meldrew well if he breaks his duck by upsetting the AB's later this year no one will care
Well, I do have my suspicions about the England win in 2012. Bit of an outlier performance by the ABs which kept Lancaster in the role until RWC2015.... (insert Conspiracy Theory emoticon here...).
But seriously, the real issue with English rugby is the lack of structure for player development. We can laugh at the fact that a player who couldn't make the AB's walks into the England test team but its a pretty damning indictment of English rugby. And there seems bugger-all discussion of that here in the UK - more about what a wonderful player Shields is.
I think the damning indictment in this issue is really Eddie picking Shields. We have plenty of pretty damn good 6s, Robshaw being one, Wilson (on the bench) another. We really don't need Shields but Eddie...
Now if he had been a 7 your view would hold more water IMO.
I would also suggest that there has been plenty of discussion around his selection. Now it's happened the media are all in love with him but previously there was a lot of argument and counter argument in the press. There is still a lot of dissatisfaction being aired on message boards, HYS etc. This is a selection that has been very divisive.
