All Blacks v France Test #2
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
I agree. For me Ofa should have been cited because the contact was shoulder directly to face with force. However i would hope that he would be cleared given the player was falling into it etc. I guess the citing commissioner just skipped the judiciary part to save time. Problem is that everyone is screaming conspiracy now.
Cane was never going to get cited for his part in it though.Watching a replay Whitelock and Squire played better than i first thought live. Not making huge metres but both carried solidly and didn't get pushed back. Still not the ideal balance though.
Starting to think S Barrett should be the guy they are looking at as a lock/6 rather than Fifita. No reason he couldn't play the role that Squire or Whitelock did in this game.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Pichot has tweeted that he should have been cited after pressure from the UK brigade ...
In response to the Walrus claiming it was a criminal offence. Glad to know that Mr Jones is an expert on NZ criminal law now as well.
Loads of over-reactive people commenting based on a tiny clip at the worst possible angle. No showing how the French player ducked into contact.I have no problem with the incident being cited to assess properly, but accusations will fly after that as well.
Have you got a link?
I fucken love reading the Walruses masterpieces....
He has actually been appearing more reasonable in his regular Sunday Times column. I think last week I had to double check it was actually under his by-line.
This was a tweet where he had a three second slo-mo gif from the worst possible view making it look like Ofa lined up the head and smashed in hard and deliberately. Tweeted it out simply to get reaction (which he achieved). Called Ofa's act a criminal offence. -
@sapetyvi said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Pichot has tweeted that he should have been cited after pressure from the UK brigade ...
In response to the Walrus claiming it was a criminal offence. Glad to know that Mr Jones is an expert on NZ criminal law now as well.
Loads of over-reactive people commenting based on a tiny clip at the worst possible angle. No showing how the French player ducked into contact.I have no problem with the incident being cited to assess properly, but accusations will fly after that as well.
Have you got a link?
I fucken love reading the Walruses masterpieces....
Have some water at hand when reading, it is very salty.
Righto.
Based on that logic Martin Johnson, Danny Grewcock and Lawrence Dallaglio should all be in jail.
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@sapetyvi said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mn5 If you scroll down the that thread, someone mentions there is precedence for a lawsuit from 1996 or whatever.
You mean this?
Because an accident in an entirely legal element of the game is a very, very different thing to assault.
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Dont let logic get in the way of another AB witch hunt by Nth Hem rugby media, and social media fans. Just wait until Nov it will be ramped up 1000 times.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@sapetyvi said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mn5 If you scroll down the that thread, someone mentions there is precedence for a lawsuit from 1996 or whatever.
You mean this?
Because an accident in an entirely legal element of the game is a very, very different thing to assault.
Neither of those 2 are clearly lawyers. In fact, what I like about the whole judicial process is that it is strictly legal. The lawyers don't give a rat's arse whether people want the ABs hung drawn and quartered.
I'm not a lawyer but one guy threw a punch...if you take that as a precedent then you would have to prove Ofa deliberately set out to maim the French lad...not a chance that gets through a court of law.
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@antipodean Yea, those people don't live in the same reality as the rest of us.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@sapetyvi said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mn5 If you scroll down the that thread, someone mentions there is precedence for a lawsuit from 1996 or whatever.
You mean this?
Because an accident in an entirely legal element of the game is a very, very different thing to assault.
Neither of those 2 are clearly lawyers. In fact, what I like about the whole judicial process is that it is strictly legal. The lawyers don't give a rat's arse whether people want the ABs hung drawn and quartered.
I'm not a lawyer but one guy threw a punch...if you take that as a precedent then you would have to prove Ofa deliberately set out to maim the French lad...not a chance that gets through a court of law.
Hence the citing commissioner looked at the legalities and decided no laws had been transgressed.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@sapetyvi said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mn5 If you scroll down the that thread, someone mentions there is precedence for a lawsuit from 1996 or whatever.
You mean this?
Because an accident in an entirely legal element of the game is a very, very different thing to assault.
Neither of those 2 are clearly lawyers. In fact, what I like about the whole judicial process is that it is strictly legal. The lawyers don't give a rat's arse whether people want the ABs hung drawn and quartered.
I'm not a lawyer but one guy threw a punch...if you take that as a precedent then you would have to prove Ofa deliberately set out to maim the French lad...not a chance that gets through a court of law.
Hence the citing commissioner looked at the legalities and decided no laws had been transgressed.
At least that's what the Illuminati told him to say. Bwahahahaha
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Dont let logic get in the way of another AB witch hunt by Nth Hem rugby media, and social media fans. Just wait until Nov it will be ramped up 1000 times.
All the conspiracy talk is hilarious. Funny how, for a team who basically gets all the calls from the ref, it took us 24 years between winning world cups
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@canefan It was said we were chokers up until then, now we are dirty thugs that have the referees association in our back pocket and brown paper bags full of cash left at WR HQ in Ireland.
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Rugby vision, has given the French a 2.8% chance of wining this weekend. Is that a bit harsh? I do think the points margin is spot on.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Dont let logic get in the way of another AB witch hunt by Nth Hem rugby media, and social media fans. Just wait until Nov it will be ramped up 1000 times.
Reading through, it’s actually not too bad. Jones is full of shit as usual, and Gallgher is adamant it’s a red and AB leniency but outside those 2, opinions are fair. Actually to be fair, Gallagher’s problem is with world rugby, not ABs.
Cleary thinks red to be consistent with other decisons, but is no buyer of AB ref myths and dirty players. Barnes is actually in full agreeance of everything. Kelleher is similar to Cleary.
So actually, Jones is the only one gone full predictable retard. But his opinion counts for nothing, as we all know he rarely writes what he actually thinks.
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@majorrage Nick Cain subscribes to the theory that we get special treatment. I still think the amount of crap in the press leading up till the Nov tests will be worse than normal due to the ABs having not played England in awhile and after the Lions series.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@canefan It was said we were chokers up until then, now we are dirty thugs that have the referees association in our back pocket and brown paper bags full of cash left at WR HQ in Ireland.
Jones has had to shut up about us being chokers.
Jones has had to shut up about us being poachers.
Too much to expect that he will just shut up.
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@wreck-diver
Based on the way they're going - England will need 15 points from the ref' when they play us.
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It's entirely possible Freek in his capacity as citing commissioner arrived at this conclusion all on his own. It's just unfortunate that World Rugby is run by incompetents.
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@pn said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
The fact he is issued with a warning makes the issue worse. WR basically admitting they got it wrong, and yet not issuing any sort of punishment as this would mean theyd be setting a dangerous precedent.
Is that how you read it?
