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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12066143
He said the new movies are pretty good, which immediately makes his opinion worthless. But of course he focuses on the "racism" and the "mysogeny" and doesn't even both listening to what the fans are actually pissed off about. Weak arguments. Where have I seen them before?
What I find hilarious is people like this say "you take it all too seriously" yet you can guarantee if these films started containing the kind of politics they don't happen to agree with they'd be up in arms. You honestly think this guy would have no issue if the makers were pro-Trump and wanted to convey that through the films? Same goes with the hypocrites here.
Personally I don't want any of the political bullshit in these films, regardless of my stance. I'll take two films: American Sniper and Lone Survivor. The books those films are based on are very politically conservative and very critical of the media etc. Yet the films focus exclusively on the experiences of these guys, not their politics (nor even their religion).
Any genuine SW fan should be concerned about this. Don't believe me? Look at the Solo box office.
It's much more simple than that. They're just shit characters.
And uninspiring story. As far as seeing politics in the films, I guess you see what you want to see. For me, RO and HS hold up in this regard, good characters and good story. TFA and TLJ on reflection relied much more on reputation. The third installment they are going to have to go all out because if Abrams churns out another ep7 it ain't going to cut it
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12066143
He said the new movies are pretty good, which immediately makes his opinion worthless. But of course he focuses on the "racism" and the "mysogeny" and doesn't even both listening to what the fans are actually pissed off about. Weak arguments. Where have I seen them before?
What I find hilarious is people like this say "you take it all too seriously" yet you can guarantee if these films started containing the kind of politics they don't happen to agree with they'd be up in arms. You honestly think this guy would have no issue if the makers were pro-Trump and wanted to convey that through the films? Same goes with the hypocrites here.
Personally I don't want any of the political bullshit in these films, regardless of my stance. I'll take two films: American Sniper and Lone Survivor. The books those films are based on are very politically conservative and very critical of the media etc. Yet the films focus exclusively on the experiences of these guys, not their politics (nor even their religion).
Any genuine SW fan should be concerned about this. Don't believe me? Look at the Solo box office.
It's much more simple than that. They're just shit characters.
And uninspiring story. As far as seeing politics in the films, I guess you see what you want to see. For me, RO and HS hold up in this regard, good characters and good story. TFA and TLJ on reflection relied much more on reputation. The third installment they are going to have to go all out because if Abrams churns out another ep7 it ain't going to cut it
The big problem is that there's no cliffhanger here. I didn't like TFA but at least you wanted to see no. 2 to get all those questions answered (Luke, Snope, Kylo, Rey's parents etc.). TLF effectively fucked the pooch for all of them. Carrie Fisher is also dead so no Leah. The whole trilogy has been so poorly panned out.
Compare that with Infinity Wars.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12066143
He said the new movies are pretty good, which immediately makes his opinion worthless. But of course he focuses on the "racism" and the "mysogeny" and doesn't even both listening to what the fans are actually pissed off about. Weak arguments. Where have I seen them before?
What I find hilarious is people like this say "you take it all too seriously" yet you can guarantee if these films started containing the kind of politics they don't happen to agree with they'd be up in arms. You honestly think this guy would have no issue if the makers were pro-Trump and wanted to convey that through the films? Same goes with the hypocrites here.
Personally I don't want any of the political bullshit in these films, regardless of my stance. I'll take two films: American Sniper and Lone Survivor. The books those films are based on are very politically conservative and very critical of the media etc. Yet the films focus exclusively on the experiences of these guys, not their politics (nor even their religion).
Any genuine SW fan should be concerned about this. Don't believe me? Look at the Solo box office.
It's much more simple than that. They're just shit characters.
And uninspiring story. As far as seeing politics in the films, I guess you see what you want to see. For me, RO and HS hold up in this regard, good characters and good story. TFA and TLJ on reflection relied much more on reputation. The third installment they are going to have to go all out because if Abrams churns out another ep7 it ain't going to cut it
The big problem is that there's no cliffhanger here. I didn't like TFA but at least you wanted to see no. 2 to get all those questions answered (Luke, Snope, Kylo, Rey's parents etc.). TLF effectively fucked the pooch for all of them. Carrie Fisher is also dead so no Leah. The whole trilogy has been so poorly panned out.
Compare that with Infinity Wars.
Marvel are the gold standard for sure. I'm not sure where SW goes after ep 9. The best two films feature peripheral characters or times from the main story. Is it the freedom that the film makers feel they are afforded, as opposed to the constraints of the main story? It doesn't have to be like this but maybe they feel the expectation to make a certain film, much like Superman and Batman vs Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy (a story line I knew nothing about before seeing the movie).
If the original SW films were defined by their characters, now that all of the main ones are gone perhaps they need to concentrate more on sub stories for a while
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@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12066143
He said the new movies are pretty good, which immediately makes his opinion worthless. But of course he focuses on the "racism" and the "mysogeny" and doesn't even both listening to what the fans are actually pissed off about. Weak arguments. Where have I seen them before?
What I find hilarious is people like this say "you take it all too seriously" yet you can guarantee if these films started containing the kind of politics they don't happen to agree with they'd be up in arms. You honestly think this guy would have no issue if the makers were pro-Trump and wanted to convey that through the films? Same goes with the hypocrites here.
Personally I don't want any of the political bullshit in these films, regardless of my stance. I'll take two films: American Sniper and Lone Survivor. The books those films are based on are very politically conservative and very critical of the media etc. Yet the films focus exclusively on the experiences of these guys, not their politics (nor even their religion).
Any genuine SW fan should be concerned about this. Don't believe me? Look at the Solo box office.
It's much more simple than that. They're just shit characters.
And uninspiring story. As far as seeing politics in the films, I guess you see what you want to see. For me, RO and HS hold up in this regard, good characters and good story. TFA and TLJ on reflection relied much more on reputation. The third installment they are going to have to go all out because if Abrams churns out another ep7 it ain't going to cut it
The big problem is that there's no cliffhanger here. I didn't like TFA but at least you wanted to see no. 2 to get all those questions answered (Luke, Snope, Kylo, Rey's parents etc.). TLF effectively fucked the pooch for all of them. Carrie Fisher is also dead so no Leah. The whole trilogy has been so poorly panned out.
Compare that with Infinity Wars.
Marvel are the gold standard for sure. I'm not sure where SW goes after ep 9. The best two films feature peripheral characters or times from the main story. Is it the freedom that the film makers feel they are afforded, as opposed to the constraints of the main story? It doesn't have to be like this but maybe they feel the expectation to make a certain film, much like Superman and Batman vs Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy (a story line I knew nothing about before seeing the movie).
If the original SW films were defined by their characters, now that all of the main ones are gone perhaps they need to concentrate more on sub stories for a while
The SW universe is so vast and the potential for creating new and awesome storylines should be limitless. Yet, they are walking these bizarre path of not trying to vier away from the originals but at the same time destroying the characters that defined them.
Even from a strictly business standpoint the whole strategy doesn't make sense. Did the best minds at Disney and Lucas Film honestly think that Holdo and Rose would shift merchandise? Did they think slandering fans would be good for business? . It's like How to Kill a Brand 101.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12066143
He said the new movies are pretty good, which immediately makes his opinion worthless. But of course he focuses on the "racism" and the "mysogeny" and doesn't even both listening to what the fans are actually pissed off about. Weak arguments. Where have I seen them before?
What I find hilarious is people like this say "you take it all too seriously" yet you can guarantee if these films started containing the kind of politics they don't happen to agree with they'd be up in arms. You honestly think this guy would have no issue if the makers were pro-Trump and wanted to convey that through the films? Same goes with the hypocrites here.
Personally I don't want any of the political bullshit in these films, regardless of my stance. I'll take two films: American Sniper and Lone Survivor. The books those films are based on are very politically conservative and very critical of the media etc. Yet the films focus exclusively on the experiences of these guys, not their politics (nor even their religion).
Any genuine SW fan should be concerned about this. Don't believe me? Look at the Solo box office.
It's much more simple than that. They're just shit characters.
And uninspiring story. As far as seeing politics in the films, I guess you see what you want to see. For me, RO and HS hold up in this regard, good characters and good story. TFA and TLJ on reflection relied much more on reputation. The third installment they are going to have to go all out because if Abrams churns out another ep7 it ain't going to cut it
The big problem is that there's no cliffhanger here. I didn't like TFA but at least you wanted to see no. 2 to get all those questions answered (Luke, Snope, Kylo, Rey's parents etc.). TLF effectively fucked the pooch for all of them. Carrie Fisher is also dead so no Leah. The whole trilogy has been so poorly panned out.
Compare that with Infinity Wars.
Marvel are the gold standard for sure. I'm not sure where SW goes after ep 9. The best two films feature peripheral characters or times from the main story. Is it the freedom that the film makers feel they are afforded, as opposed to the constraints of the main story? It doesn't have to be like this but maybe they feel the expectation to make a certain film, much like Superman and Batman vs Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy (a story line I knew nothing about before seeing the movie).
If the original SW films were defined by their characters, now that all of the main ones are gone perhaps they need to concentrate more on sub stories for a while
The SW universe is so vast and the potential for creating new and awesome storylines should be limitless. Yet, they are walking these bizarre path of not trying to vier away from the originals but at the same time destroying the characters that defined them.
Even from a strictly business standpoint the whole strategy doesn't make sense. Did the best minds at Disney and Lucas Film honestly think that Holdo and Rose would shift merchandise? Did they think slandering fans would be good for business? . It's like How to Kill a Brand 101.
Maybe they thought to apply the copycat method and hope this was the easiest way to keep the money flowing. So far it has, but the reception for Solo should alarm them. It is a very good film that may have been let down by a poor last film and the arrogance to release it when they did. I am sure SW can easily be turned around, but they will need to be bolder with Ep 9 to do it. Time to go all in; rather than make a movie that finishes off the last two, maybe they should go all out and make one that finishes on the kind of infinity war cliff hanger that gets people excited again?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@canefan said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12066143
He said the new movies are pretty good, which immediately makes his opinion worthless. But of course he focuses on the "racism" and the "mysogeny" and doesn't even both listening to what the fans are actually pissed off about. Weak arguments. Where have I seen them before?
What I find hilarious is people like this say "you take it all too seriously" yet you can guarantee if these films started containing the kind of politics they don't happen to agree with they'd be up in arms. You honestly think this guy would have no issue if the makers were pro-Trump and wanted to convey that through the films? Same goes with the hypocrites here.
Personally I don't want any of the political bullshit in these films, regardless of my stance. I'll take two films: American Sniper and Lone Survivor. The books those films are based on are very politically conservative and very critical of the media etc. Yet the films focus exclusively on the experiences of these guys, not their politics (nor even their religion).
Any genuine SW fan should be concerned about this. Don't believe me? Look at the Solo box office.
It's much more simple than that. They're just shit characters.
And uninspiring story. As far as seeing politics in the films, I guess you see what you want to see. For me, RO and HS hold up in this regard, good characters and good story. TFA and TLJ on reflection relied much more on reputation. The third installment they are going to have to go all out because if Abrams churns out another ep7 it ain't going to cut it
The big problem is that there's no cliffhanger here. I didn't like TFA but at least you wanted to see no. 2 to get all those questions answered (Luke, Snope, Kylo, Rey's parents etc.). TLF effectively fucked the pooch for all of them. Carrie Fisher is also dead so no Leah. The whole trilogy has been so poorly panned out.
Compare that with Infinity Wars.
Marvel are the gold standard for sure. I'm not sure where SW goes after ep 9. The best two films feature peripheral characters or times from the main story. Is it the freedom that the film makers feel they are afforded, as opposed to the constraints of the main story? It doesn't have to be like this but maybe they feel the expectation to make a certain film, much like Superman and Batman vs Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy (a story line I knew nothing about before seeing the movie).
If the original SW films were defined by their characters, now that all of the main ones are gone perhaps they need to concentrate more on sub stories for a while
The SW universe is so vast and the potential for creating new and awesome storylines should be limitless. Yet, they are walking these bizarre path of not trying to vier away from the originals but at the same time destroying the characters that defined them.
Even from a strictly business standpoint the whole strategy doesn't make sense. Did the best minds at Disney and Lucas Film honestly think that Holdo and Rose would shift merchandise? Did they think slandering fans would be good for business? . It's like How to Kill a Brand 101.
Don't forget the code breaker. I'm sure my boys will spend hours in the backyard pretending to be him.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan Jesus man, just don't watch them then - this place has turned into a fucking whine fest about identity politics. Don't like a decision someone makes, call it identity politics. Someone choses to promote something that isn't white males - identity politics. FFS. The writers of movies can write what they want about a movie. You don't have have to go and see it. If you don't like the direction it's going just don't watch.
@Rancid-Schnitzel might think that Lone Survivor and American Sniper don't come across as political but they are noticeably political even if they aren't 'as' political as their source material - but I like them as action movies just like I like Star Wars movies as sci fi movies.
That "just don't watch" it argument is so pathetic. Apparently if something you like is being turned to shit you should just grin and bear it. Maybe you think obsessing over race, gender and sexuality is a good thing. Others respectively disagree. If you don't like those arguments, then don't comment.
As for the second comment, that's completely false. They're war movies based on true events so there will have to be some politics there. But saying they are noticeably political is complete bollocks.
No, it's perfectly fair. The makers of Star Wars don't have to write the movies for you (or anyone), they don't owe you (or anyone) anything, and if you don't like the direction they're taking don't watch them.
I don't think they 'obsess' about race, gender and sexuality but clearly I don't mind that they're mixing it up. Fair enough if they want to do that. And really, if you think they're obsessing over stuff you don't like then why don't you just check out? I'm actually asking this as a serious question: The old movies exist and you can have them, why not just do that? Why waste your time caring about something you obviously have huge issues with?
Can't be arsed getting into a yes they are no they aren't with the war films so we'll have to agree to disagree.
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
If KK is responsible for releasing Solo in May - just 5 months after Ep 8- then she deserves to be ‘pushed out’
Once the vitrol and over the top trolling over LJ gathered steam they should have pushed Solo out to December this year. Would have saved it at the box office.If she was going to be pushed out then I agree this should be the only reason. It was a dumb decision - but I wonder if she made it solely alone or if Disney had a hand in it. I don't know how anyone in Lucasfilm or Disney could have thought releasing this a couple of weeks after Avengers and a week after Deadpool could have been a good idea.
I expect the release timing was an attempt to emulate the Marvel model of releasing a couple of movies within a year, but I don't think the Star Wars universe suits that style. One a year at Xmas works pretty well for them.
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@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kirwan Jesus man, just don't watch them then - this place has turned into a fucking whine fest about identity politics. Don't like a decision someone makes, call it identity politics. Someone choses to promote something that isn't white males - identity politics. FFS. The writers of movies can write what they want about a movie. You don't have have to go and see it. If you don't like the direction it's going just don't watch.
@Rancid-Schnitzel might think that Lone Survivor and American Sniper don't come across as political but they are noticeably political even if they aren't 'as' political as their source material - but I like them as action movies just like I like Star Wars movies as sci fi movies.
That "just don't watch" it argument is so pathetic. Apparently if something you like is being turned to shit you should just grin and bear it. Maybe you think obsessing over race, gender and sexuality is a good thing. Others respectively disagree. If you don't like those arguments, then don't comment.
As for the second comment, that's completely false. They're war movies based on true events so there will have to be some politics there. But saying they are noticeably political is complete bollocks.
No, it's perfectly fair. The makers of Star Wars don't have to write the movies for you (or anyone), they don't owe you (or anyone) anything, and if you don't like the direction they're taking don't watch them.
I don't think they 'obsess' about race, gender and sexuality but clearly I don't mind that they're mixing it up. Fair enough if they want to do that. And really, if you think they're obsessing over stuff you don't like then why don't you just check out? I'm actually asking this as a serious question: The old movies exist and you can have them, why not just do that? Why waste your time caring about something you obviously have huge issues with?
Can't be arsed getting into a yes they are no they aren't with the war films so we'll have to agree to disagree.
@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
If KK is responsible for releasing Solo in May - just 5 months after Ep 8- then she deserves to be ‘pushed out’
Once the vitrol and over the top trolling over LJ gathered steam they should have pushed Solo out to December this year. Would have saved it at the box office.If she was going to be pushed out then I agree this should be the only reason. It was a dumb decision - but I wonder if she made it solely alone or if Disney had a hand in it. I don't know how anyone in Lucasfilm or Disney could have thought releasing this a couple of weeks after Avengers and a week after Deadpool could have been a good idea.
I expect the release timing was an attempt to emulate the Marvel model of releasing a couple of movies within a year, but I don't think the Star Wars universe suits that style. One a year at Xmas works pretty well for them.
Bullshit. Aren't you in business? Is that how you treat your customers? You know the ones who actually pay money for your products? Sure they can run the entire franchise into the ground if they so desire, but expecting the fans to shut up and be happy about it is ridiculous. It's like saying we should all shut up and not criticise the ABs if we believe they're being steered in the wrong direction. Hey maybe Blues fans should just turn off the TV. It's just a nonsense argument.
You don't mind them "mixing it up"? What does that even mean?
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@rancid-schnitzel They've had one movie perform badly so far, it's not as bad as you're making out, and the reasons for that are attributable to a number of reasons not just the ones you've focused on. No film can please everyone but the previous three pleased enough, and I daresay that Solo will please a lot when they get round to watching it on streaming services.
To pretend for a second that you actually don't know what I mean when I say mixing it up - I don't mind them having more female characters, different coloured characters, gay characters etc.
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@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel They've had one movie perform badly so far, it's not as bad as you're making out, and the reasons for that are attributable to a number of reasons not just the ones you've focused on. No film can please everyone but the previous three pleased enough, and I daresay that Solo will please a lot when they get round to watching it on streaming services.
To pretend for a second that you actually don't know what I mean when I say mixing it up - I don't mind them having more female characters, different coloured characters, gay characters etc.
Yes it is that bad Nepia. Deny it all you want, but a huge chunk of the fans are pissed off and the casuals don't want to part with their cash. If TLJ had been well received there is no way Solo would have tanked, regardless of the release date.
Here's a really novel idea. How about creating good characters and casting based on who best fits the bill? Just a thought. It's SW not an understanding diversity training video.
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@rancid-schnitzel No it's not, it's just to you because you're on the negative side. TFA, R1 and TLJ were all the biggest box office films of the year. The drop from the mega huge box office of the first released film (after a time) to TLJ was consistent with the Star Wars series. I'm willing to bet that Episode 9 will top the box office when it's released as well. Solo is the anomaly at this point in time.
The Star Wars universe has created lots of shit character diverse or not. I'm sure they always try to create good ones but sometimes they come up with a Jar Jar.
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@taniwharugby Your link isn't working? Or have you disappeared behind the hedge already? (I quoted it to find the link).
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@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel No it's not, it's just to you because you're on the negative side. TFA, R1 and TLJ were all the biggest box office films of the year. The drop from the mega huge box office of the first released film (after a time) to TLJ was consistent with the Star Wars series. I'm willing to bet that Episode 9 will top the box office when it's released as well. Solo is the anomaly at this point in time.
The Star Wars universe has created lots of shit character diverse or not. I'm sure they always try to create good ones but sometimes they come up with a Jar Jar.
The numbers bear out your assertion Nep. Looks like a 30% drop in worldwide box office take from Ep 4 to 5 and 6 (despite them being vastly superior films and being 3 years apart). Compare that to a 35% drop between ep7 and Ep8, 50% drop between ep7 and RO. Solo is the outlier, which is a shame because it was a great film. I am sure, like many things, there are multiple reasons for the drop; diehard fans like RS who can't bear to go along anymore (I know a mate who is like that), and surely a significant degree of SW fatigue
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@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel No it's not, it's just to you because you're on the negative side. TFA, R1 and TLJ were all the biggest box office films of the year. The drop from the mega huge box office of the first released film (after a time) to TLJ was consistent with the Star Wars series. I'm willing to bet that Episode 9 will top the box office when it's released as well. Solo is the anomaly at this point in time.
The Star Wars universe has created lots of shit character diverse or not. I'm sure they always try to create good ones but sometimes they come up with a Jar Jar.
Yes it is. You honestly think a stand alone film following in the wake of ROTS would have tanked? The goodwill is gone, the momentum is gone. Solo is proof of that. Those are the facts. Spin them as much as you want but they can't be changed.
Jar Jar was shit but there were a heap of great new characters even if the films were ordinary. We saw Qui Gon, Maul, Mace, J Fett, Dooku, Grevious etc. Even the ones you barely saw like Plo Kloon and Kit Fisto were cool. The Clone Wars threw up even more awesome characters. What have the new ones offered? Sweet fa. So yeah maybe less focus on race, gender and sexuality please and more on great characters and plotlines.
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@virgil said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12066143
Interesting how this article claimed that Daisy Ridley deleted her Instagram account because of SW trolls. Funnily enough that's complete bullshit.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/mashable.com/2016/09/26/why-daisy-ridley-quit-instagram.amp
That article is from 2016.
Another awesome piece of "journalism".
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel No it's not, it's just to you because you're on the negative side. TFA, R1 and TLJ were all the biggest box office films of the year. The drop from the mega huge box office of the first released film (after a time) to TLJ was consistent with the Star Wars series. I'm willing to bet that Episode 9 will top the box office when it's released as well. Solo is the anomaly at this point in time.
The Star Wars universe has created lots of shit character diverse or not. I'm sure they always try to create good ones but sometimes they come up with a Jar Jar.
Yes it is. You honestly think a stand alone film following in the wake of ROTS would have tanked? The goodwill is gone, the momentum is gone. Solo is proof of that. Those are the facts. Spin them as much as you want but they can't be changed.
Jar Jar was shit but there were a heap of great new characters even if the films were ordinary. We saw Qui Gon, Maul, Mace, J Fett, Dooku, Grevious etc. Even the ones you barely saw like Plo Kloon and Kit Fisto were cool. The Clone Wars threw up even more awesome characters. What have the new ones offered? Sweet fa. So yeah maybe less focus on race, gender and sexuality please and more on great characters and plotlines.
lol. You're saying I'm spinning facts (which are just facts) when you're engaging in whataboutery.
If Solo was released at Xmas and did the same business I might be inclined to believe you but like as I said, I'm confident the next Star Wars will top of the box office (actually, if it comes out in the same year as Avengers 2 it wont be, but it'll easily top $1.3B).
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@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@nepia said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@rancid-schnitzel No it's not, it's just to you because you're on the negative side. TFA, R1 and TLJ were all the biggest box office films of the year. The drop from the mega huge box office of the first released film (after a time) to TLJ was consistent with the Star Wars series. I'm willing to bet that Episode 9 will top the box office when it's released as well. Solo is the anomaly at this point in time.
The Star Wars universe has created lots of shit character diverse or not. I'm sure they always try to create good ones but sometimes they come up with a Jar Jar.
Yes it is. You honestly think a stand alone film following in the wake of ROTS would have tanked? The goodwill is gone, the momentum is gone. Solo is proof of that. Those are the facts. Spin them as much as you want but they can't be changed.
Jar Jar was shit but there were a heap of great new characters even if the films were ordinary. We saw Qui Gon, Maul, Mace, J Fett, Dooku, Grevious etc. Even the ones you barely saw like Plo Kloon and Kit Fisto were cool. The Clone Wars threw up even more awesome characters. What have the new ones offered? Sweet fa. So yeah maybe less focus on race, gender and sexuality please and more on great characters and plotlines.
lol. You're saying I'm spinning facts (which are just facts) when you're engaging in whataboutery.
If Solo was released at Xmas and did the same business I might be inclined to believe you but like as I said, I'm confident the next Star Wars will top of the box office (actually, if it comes out in the same year as Avengers 2 it wont be, but it'll easily top $1.3B).
What facts am I spinning? Yes all SW had drop offs in income but what evidence do you have that Solo would have been a Christmas hit? It didn't even open against another blockbuster and plenty of other films have been released at that time of year, including ROTJ.
Again I will ask, do you seriously believe Solo would have tanked if TLJ was better received by fans?
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@rancid-schnitzel No it's not, it's just to you because you're on the negative side. TFA, R1 and TLJ were all the biggest box office films of the year. The drop from the mega huge box office of the first released film (after a time) to TLJ was consistent with the Star Wars series. I'm willing to bet that Episode 9 will top the box office when it's released as well. Solo is the anomaly at this point in time.
The Star Wars universe has created lots of shit character diverse or not. I'm sure they always try to create good ones but sometimes they come up with a Jar Jar.
Yes it is. You honestly think a stand alone film following in the wake of ROTS would have tanked? The goodwill is gone, the momentum is gone. Solo is proof of that. Those are the facts. Spin them as much as you want but they can't be changed.
Jar Jar was shit but there were a heap of great new characters even if the films were ordinary. We saw Qui Gon, Maul, Mace, J Fett, Dooku, Grevious etc. Even the ones you barely saw like Plo Kloon and Kit Fisto were cool. The Clone Wars threw up even more awesome characters. What have the new ones offered? Sweet fa. So yeah maybe less focus on race, gender and sexuality please and more on great characters and plotlines.
lol. You're saying I'm spinning facts (which are just facts) when you're engaging in whataboutery.
If Solo was released at Xmas and did the same business I might be inclined to believe you but like as I said, I'm confident the next Star Wars will top of the box office (actually, if it comes out in the same year as Avengers 2 it wont be, but it'll easily top $1.3B).
What facts am I spinning? Yes all SW had drop offs in income but what evidence do you have that Solo would have been a Christmas hit? It didn't even open against another blockbuster and plenty of other films have been released at that time of year, including ROTJ.
Again I will ask, do you seriously believe Solo would have tanked if TLJ was better received by fans?
I didn't say you were spinning facts, I said you were engaging in whataboutery, you said I was spinning facts. But now you're agreeing with my facts.
To engage in whataboutery, I don't think Solo would tank if it was released at xmas time and I while I think TLJ has an influence I don't think it's the sole determiner - the anti TLJ people make a lot of noise, but lots still like the film - I think the release date was more crucial (as I said earlier the Star Wars universe doesn't fit a multiple release schedule similar to the Marvel universe).