Crusaders v Bulls
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@nepia said in Crusaders v Bulls:
@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Bulls:
@nepia Russian or like a specific Russian actor?
Just Russian looking in general.
Mini-me Dolph Lungren
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@bones said in Crusaders v Bulls:
Crotty off for an HIA? WTF? Weird.
Crotty passed his HIA.
Sam Whitelock is also okay. They took him off as a precaution.
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"I wasn't taking any chances," Robertson added. "It was just time for those boys to come off. We needed to keep an eye on them because we know the first couple of weeks after a head knock are critical."
Why would you even take the risk and play them is my question. Didn't we use to have a 3 week mandatory stand down period before?
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I expect he means after they pass all the HIA stuff and medical are happy they have passed, the next couple of weeks are still important to keep an eye on symptoms returning.
They haven't had the mandatory 3 weeks for a very long time have they?
I think NZ seem pretty proactive when it comes to head injuries, and have unfortunately had a lot of experience with players suffering ongoing symptoms.
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@akan004 said in Crusaders v Bulls:
"I wasn't taking any chances," Robertson added. "It was just time for those boys to come off. We needed to keep an eye on them because we know the first couple of weeks after a head knock are critical."
Why would you even take the risk and play them is my question. Didn't we use to have a 3 week mandatory stand down period before?
Maybe they consulted medical experts before making such a decision.... not some bloke ranting on the internet
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@sammyc I guess you must think Sumo is an idiot as well? He has been worried about this issue for a while now, and brought it up during the commentary as well. Basic logic tells me that if there were no fears about potential complications, there would have been no need to pull them off early. You seem to have missed that obvious point.
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@akan004 The Crusaders had the game won, why would you leave him out there anyway?
I have concerns about the concussion issues too, but trust that the people who do the testing and science on it know much better than you, me, Sumo as to what tests should be undertaken.
I listened to an interview with the Blues Dr. last year where he talked through the process of the HIA, pass or fail for the days following a knock, it seems pretty comprehensive and don't think they are making light of the issue.
Just ask Craig Clarke, James Broadhurst, Ben Afeaki, Charlie Ngatai, to name just 4.
It is a huge issue facing the game at the moment, I think it is being taken very seriously and using the science, players are aware, Sam Cane took himself off last year after he passed the HIA as just didnt feel right.
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I found this survey of Neurologists interesting.
Headache. 2018 Feb 7. doi: 10.1111/head.13272. [Epub ahead of print]
A Survey of Neurologists on Postconcussion Syndrome.
Evans RW, Ghosh K.Abstract
BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVES:
Postconcussion syndrome (PCS) has been controversial for more than 150 years. As there have not been any surveys of PCS among neurologists in the United States since 1992, another was performed using most of the prior items to assess current opinions and practices and whether there have been any changes since 1992.
METHODS:
Two hundred and eighty-nine neurologists attending the Texas Neurological Society 20th Annual Winter Conference continuing medical education meeting in 2017 were supplied the survey instrument with registration materials. The 25 item instrument (including 7 new items) contained items on demographics, definitions, causation, prognosis, medicolegal aspects, testing, and treatment. Forty percent of attendees completed the survey.
RESULTS:
The majority of respondents agree with the following: PCS is a clearly defined syndrome with a solid basis for determining prognosis with an organic basis; accept the authenticity of patients' reports of symptoms; effective treatment is available for headaches lasting 3 months or more; headaches persist in over 20% 1 year after injury; and cognitive rehabilitation is effective. The majority of the respondents do not agree with the following: symptoms improve in a relatively short period of time and quickly resolve once litigation is settled; effective treatment is available for PCS; and return to play guidelines are strongly evidence based. 68.4% disagree with the following: I would support my son or grandson (or if you do not have one, relative's or friend's) playing football. [Correction added on February 9, 2018, after first online publication: "One year after injury" deleted.]
CONCLUSIONS:
There has been growing acceptance of the organicity of PCS among neurologists in the last 25 years. There is significant concern over the long-term sequelae of concussion as most respondents would not recommend that their son or grandson play football.
© 2018 American Headache Society.
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@akan004 said in Crusaders v Bulls:
@sammyc I guess you must think Sumo is an idiot as well? He has been worried about this issue for a while now, and brought it up during the commentary as well. Basic logic tells me that if there were no fears about potential complications, there would have been no need to pull them off early. You seem to have missed that obvious point.
Sumo isn’t a doctor either.
I trust the medical professionals in this instance. They were cleared to play by guys with a shitload more knowledge in this area than you and sumo
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@sammyc Robertson clearly didn't have as much confidence in the specialists and hence why he "wasn't taking any chances" with them and pulled them off early.
And you do realise that another specialist may have come to a different conclusion, don't you? Read the report that Tim posted above, there are differing opinions on this. There is still so much to learn on the subject according to most of the experts I have listened to.
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@akan004 so you are saying that RObertson went against thier recommendations and played them last night anyway?
I think you are reading to much into what he said, I think in the context of the match last night, why risk them further, as in if they are out playing then there is a risk of another knock, get them off, continue monitoring.
I think there is still alot to learn about concussion and the ongoing symptoms, and I think NZR is erring on the side of caution, yes the odd incident seems to get missed (SBW) but in the whole I think they are being proactive.
Need only look at was it HEaley for the Irish a few weeks back, we all thought he was concussed and left on and played the following week....but was just a stinger...
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@taniwharugby No, I am not saying that he went against their recommendations and played them anyway. I think he went with their recommendations and played them but still had some concerns and pulled them early.
I think you have to err on the side of caution at all times when it comes to head knocks. Whitelock was cleared to play against the Highlanders the week earlier but then suffered from mild concussion symptoms the day before the game, which further shows how complicated this issue really is and that specialists can also get it wrong.
My initial comment was purely based on what Roberston said. Maybe I am reading too much into what he said, but I feel that if there is any doubt whatsoever, then Scott shouldn't have played them. After all, it's only against the piss weak Bulls ffs.
