Exodus 2018
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I think they were scholarships? The time on scholarship didn't count
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@duluth isn't that the same with any that come over for schooling (and rugby) cos wasn't Sivi here on a soccer scholarship or is that one of those myths?
Didn't NZ Soccer have that issue a few years back with that guy who they played in the All Whites or an age group side and he was not eligible as he needed stand down given he came here during schooling from SA as his family emigrated (I realize different sports have different rules, but I thought in this case they were similar)
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
@stargazer I thought it did?
Or when they leave school, that was how it worked with the likes of Sivi, Fekitoa et al didn't it (except 3 years)
If you move before age 18 without your family it doesn't count towards residency. Scholarships and boarding school basically the only scenarios that would come up in.
As to that article, it basically sounds to me like a Etene Nanai situation that Tew is describing. But pointing out the poachers are expanding beyond the localish NRL scouts. Doesn't sound like he's expecting actual physical emigration during their school years. Why would they?
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@rapido said in Exodus 2018:
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
@stargazer I thought it did?
Or when they leave school, that was how it worked with the likes of Sivi, Fekitoa et al didn't it (except 3 years)
If you move before age 18 without your family it doesn't count towards residency. Scholarships and boarding school basically the only scenarios that would come up in.
As to that article, it basically sounds to me like a Etene Nanai situation that Tew is describing. But pointing out the poachers are expanding beyond the localish NRL scouts. Doesn't sound like he's expecting actual physical emigration during their school years. Why would they?
Lots of league players move to Australia to attend Australian high schools that have associations with NRL clubs.
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@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@rapido said in Exodus 2018:
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
@stargazer I thought it did?
Or when they leave school, that was how it worked with the likes of Sivi, Fekitoa et al didn't it (except 3 years)
If you move before age 18 without your family it doesn't count towards residency. Scholarships and boarding school basically the only scenarios that would come up in.
As to that article, it basically sounds to me like a Etene Nanai situation that Tew is describing. But pointing out the poachers are expanding beyond the localish NRL scouts. Doesn't sound like he's expecting actual physical emigration during their school years. Why would they?
Lots of league players move to Australia to attend Australian high schools that have associations with NRL clubs.
Yes it's possible. But I'm going to assume those high schools play in a comp that has similar prestige to First XV rugby in NZ. There is incentive for both the incubator (the Aussie high school) and the end beneficiary (the NRL club).
I don't see much possibility of that in union.
The biggest global spenders, France, basically don't play school based sports. So no incentive for a French club to pay to bring a young player over earlier and spend their own money just to make him fat and useless before he even actually gets any good.
I understand there is a high school and a university in Japan that have a long term relationship with Tonga, that started 40 odd years ago, well before professionalism. Potential for something like that to grow I suppose.
Dylan Hartley angled for an English career path. Had English parent, talked to a family friend who was English and rugby connected and got a 'scholarship' for his final year at a rugby-steeped English Public School. Lived with his aunt and uncle over there in his school year.
It's possible. But I think NZ college rugby has a lure of its own and they kids are all basically shamateur free agents, I don't see the lure pre-18, except by NRL affiliated schools (think SBW and Benji Marshall)
Definitely see the potential lure immediately upon high school graduation.
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Very, very shrewd move.
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@tim Some out-of-the-box thinking that should probably be applauded.
Presumably the idea is that someone like, say, Sam Cane could go to Harlequins for a season in 2020 - have some time away from NZ Rugby, pick up some cash, and hopefully come back and carry on through the 2023 RWC.
Harlequins is an interesting choice - not a team I'd have immediately thought of as having strong links to NZ.
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@tim said in Exodus 2018:
@chris-b Evans is a coach and Fitzpatrick is on their board.
Yeah - I saw that - but, neither have been in NZ for a long time.
Plenty of clubs in Europe (and Japan) with NZ Head Coaches and more NZers on their playing staffs (only Frances Saili at Quins from my cursory glance).
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I wonder whether they'll try negotiating a deal with a French club as well. The last few years, AB coaches have attended and assisted at training sessions from ASM Clermont; not sure whether there are connections with other French clubs.
Or maybe a Welsh or Irish PRO14 club?
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Stunning arrogance. The most powerful rugby clubs in the world must be part hysterically amused, part affronted that New Zealand Rugby believes it can appoint itself as some kind of regulatory force in the global transfer market.
The arrogance of this sits on multiple levels. The first and most galling part is the notion of NZR determining which clubs meet their approval. Surely diversity is to be celebrated in rugby and is the sport's major strength? NZR, though, appear to feel some need to homogenise the game, have everyone adopt a 'Kiwi' approach to training, skill development, workloads and culture.
The bit that is hardest to stomach is this subliminal message that New Zealand doesn't have anything to learn from any other nation.
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@milk said in Exodus 2018:
The bit that is hardest to stomach is this subliminal message that New Zealand doesn't have anything to learn from any other nation.
Yeah, I didn’t get quite nearly as wound up, but then I’m not a mind-reader and people tell me I have a cast-iron stomach.
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@bones said in Exodus 2018:
@chris-b good spot, potential welcome back to Mr Saili. Well worth the deal.
Winston Stanley is at harlequins aswell I believe
