Tri Series Cricket
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Not averse to Wheeler particularly...
... but why?
Ferguson has been gling ok and played most of the white ball stuff, as had Santner Claws.
But we bring in random bowler bloke because ... why?
Dumb selections.
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I've been a big Hesson fan up until this summer. Has he jumped the shark?
Obviously last night was a really disappointing performance but that's not what's making me question him. The thing I liked about Hesson is he seemed to be settling NZ selection policies. We moved away from domestic flavour of the month selections and the inevitable revolving door as guys struggled to step up, or were found out because they didn't have the tools to succeed at an international level.
Instead (up until the start of this home summer) we've looked deeper at guys, bringing though players who have the technique and intangibles to succeed international level and then (most importantly in my view) given them time to adjust to significant step up from NZ domestic to international.
But this season that seems to be changing - our selections seem much more random, the rotation seems to be taking the piss (rotation against the second best time in the world? I kind of understood resting guys against a poor West Indies team, but then it's weird to rest guys at the start of the summer, and then this tri-series has been so ridiculously spread out that guys are hardly being stressed in what would traditionally be the height of summer, and resting batsmen seems even weirder again).
What are other people's view? It's not that long ago that we won 13 games in a row and this was looking like the most successful summer in a long time (and who knows, we could yet win this tri-series and then do well against England), but my concern is that if the structural elements of Hesson's leadership are starting to deteriorate then the black caps performance on the field will go the same way.
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@cyclops said in Tri Series Cricket:
I've been a big Hesson fan up until this summer. Has he jumped the shark?
Obviously last night was a really disappointing performance but that's not what's making me question him. The thing I liked about Hesson is he seemed to be settling NZ selection policies. We moved away from domestic flavour of the month selections and the inevitable revolving door as guys struggled to step up, or were found out because they didn't have the tools to succeed at an international level.
Instead (up until the start of this home summer) we've looked deeper at guys, bringing though players who have the technique and intangibles to succeed international level and then (most importantly in my view) given them time to adjust to significant step up from NZ domestic to international.
But this season that seems to be changing - our selections seem much more random, the rotation seems to be taking the piss (rotation against the second best time in the world? I kind of understood resting guys against a poor West Indies team, but then it's weird to rest guys at the start of the summer, and then this tri-series has been so ridiculously spread out that guys are hardly being stressed in what would traditionally be the height of summer, and resting batsmen seems even weirder again).
What are other people's view? It's not that long ago that we won 13 games in a row and this was looking like the most successful summer in a long time (and who knows, we could yet win this tri-series and then do well against England), but my concern is that if the structural elements of Hesson's leadership are starting to deteriorate then the black caps performance on the field will go the same way.
You're just overanalyzing the inevitable ebbs and flows of sport particularly the shits and giggle nature of T20. It took a special performance by Oz to get those runs but they up and did it. Fair play.
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That was a really, really special innings from Guppy. He and Munro had the Aussies seriously rattled for most of that innings with largely good cricket shots. Really stoked I saw that live.
I think bringing out Seifert and Chapman after Munro got out was a poor decision, that was the perfect time to bring out CDG and give him a couple of overs to get set. Despite Roscos 6s it was a limp finish to the innings overall, but still 243 should have been more than enough...
...and then the fielding effort. Sheesh. In some defense of our bowlers, bloody Short basically edged his way to his first 30-40 runs getting them ahead of the run rate. Was frustrating as hell, and then Warner got going and they got their tails up.
I agree with @Siam's post earlier in the thread though, I think Kane's captaincy has a long way to go, and there were a number of more than questionable decisions throughout. Wheeler got tonked but it was Kane that kept bowling him despite having viable options to take the pace off the ball. Also, watching Short edge everything I missed McCullum's attacking mindset and fields - early wickets and it's game over but we didn't capitalise.
But overall you do have to give credit where it's due, that was some chase by the Aussies. It appears at this point that they have a great test and T20 team, but shit ODI team. Probably need a couple of their T20 players in their ODI side (Maxwell, Short).
/rant: why the fuck do they play music after EVERY single ball?? I was going to say the atmosphere was awesome, especially when Guppy and Munro were going, but it wasn't because of the bloody music killing it after every shot. Also meant you couldn't have a proper conversation with the bloke next to you. Am I just getting old? Do people really want constant music blurting out at a sporting event? For me it kills the atmosphere dead, which is a shame as it was an awesome crowd last night.
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@no-quarter said in Tri Series Cricket:
That was a really, really special innings from Guppy. He and Munro had the Aussies seriously rattled for most of that innings with largely good cricket shots. Really stoked I saw that live.
I think bringing out Seifert and Chapman after Munro got out was a poor decision, that was the perfect time to bring out CDG and give him a couple of overs to get set. Despite Roscos 6s it was a limp finish to the innings overall, but still 243 should have been more than enough...
...and then the fielding effort. Sheesh. In some defense of our bowlers, bloody Short basically edged his way to his first 30-40 runs getting them ahead of the run rate. Was frustrating as hell, and then Warner got going and they got their tails up.
I agree with @Siam's post earlier in the thread though, I think Kane's captaincy has a long way to go, and there were a number of more than questionable decisions throughout. Wheeler got tonked but it was Kane that kept bowling him despite having viable options to take the pace off the ball. Also, watching Short edge everything I missed McCullum's attacking mindset and fields - early wickets and it's game over but we didn't capitalise.
But overall you do have to give credit where it's due, that was some chase by the Aussies. It appears at this point that they have a great test and T20 team, but shit ODI team. Probably need a couple of their T20 players in their ODI side (Maxwell, Short).
/rant: why the fuck do they play music after EVERY single ball?? I was going to say the atmosphere was awesome, especially when Guppy and Munro were going, but it wasn't because of the bloody music killing it after every shot. Also meant you couldn't have a proper conversation with the bloke next to you. Am I just getting old? Do people really want constant music blurting out at a sporting event? For me it kills the atmosphere dead, which is a shame as it was an awesome crowd last night.
Depends what the music is. If it's the exponents or the God awful 'Hey Baby ( oooo ha ) I wanna knoooooooow, will you be my girl' then I'm with ya 100%.
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@no-quarter Since the beginning of time Eden Park has favoured the slower bowlers. It was a mystifying decision not to bowl Munro or even have an over for the captain himself. Why not a slip or two when Short was getting all those jammy runs? At least he would have thought about the risk of getting out and it might have affected his play. Kane just couldn't react to stop the bleeding
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I haven't watched too much of Seifert but is he sloppy behind the stumps? The little bit I have seen suggests he is not the tidiest.
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Yeah.. we really missed Santner. More like Santner missed out on getting tonked a Eden Park, gets his chance tonight.
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@no-quarter said in Tri Series Cricket:
Yeah.. we really missed Santner. More like Santner missed out on getting tonked a Eden Park, gets his chance tonight.
Also still a better economy rate than Wheeler
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@donsteppa said in Tri Series Cricket:
@no-quarter said in Tri Series Cricket:
Yeah.. we really missed Santner. More like Santner missed out on getting tonked a Eden Park, gets his chance tonight.
Also still a better economy rate than Wheeler
You're setting the bar extraordinarily low...
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Who is our bowling coach?
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Tri Series Cricket:
Who is our bowling coach?
I was just about to post an assumption that we didn't have one
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@Donsteppa
Shiiiiiite....it is Kyle Mills..... -
To be fair, we've smacked shit out of the England and Aus bowlers since the competition moved to NZ.
But, we don't bowl smart, we seem to try and over-complicate the hell out it when full and straight is generally the best tactic. I hear the comms say that if you bowl full and straight the batsmen will play a ramp shot, but seriously, how often to you see 4 - 6 successful ramp shots in a row? Far prefer the batsmen going for that then smacking it to all corners.
