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  • DonsteppaD Offline
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    I'd bat Santner ahead of Kitchen...

    Blundell needed to be less cute and just try and hit the thing. Not that it matters at all by this stage....

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  • DamoD Offline
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    We have up 20+ runs with poor fielding and that has been crucial.

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    Santners batting is one positive from these last two hidings. He’s done well under a tonne of pressure.

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    Great effort from Pakistan to come back like that. Getting to #1 in the world away from home is a fair achievement.

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    @damo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    We have up 20+ runs with poor fielding and that has been crucial.

    Nailed it.
    That and some terrible selections.

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    Ah, the BC's. Guaranteed without fail to lull you into a nice dream, then douse you in icy water. Can't believe they decided to send out all these lame asses for a series decider. Our first XI is strong, but we seriously don't have the depth to be rotating several players, especially newbies. A shame that none of them have acquitted themselves well with the bat. it's a bit scary how when they flop, they REALLY flop.

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    Apparently NZ haven't been tested all summer and on the occasion of a do or lose series decider they put out that fucken line up?

    In danger of treating us fans with contempt

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    @siam It was a better line-up than the game before. 🙂

    But, yeah - three problems, poor catching, poor selections, and Kitchen and Kane not able to hit the ball off the square. 25 off 33 just doesn't cut it in T20s, when you only have 120 balls. Left the rest to go at 11 an over and not surprisingly they couldn't do it.

    I'm still unsure about our best XI - particularly it's unclear who should be keeping. Presently, we've got Watling, Latham, Blundell and Phillips playing international cricket - plus people like Seifert on the fringes - hard to believe we would have five international class wicket keeper/batsmen (we haven't).

    I'm also not sure who should bat at six in T20s, but I'm inclined to solve that problem by playing Ferguson. So....

    Munro, Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, de Grandhomme, Santner, wicketkeeper (someone who can hit), Southee, Sodhi, Boult, Ferguson.

    de Grandhomme to shift ahead of Taylor if Rossco isn't batting by over 10.

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    @Chris-B yup agree with that lineup, it picks itself really. Just wicket keeper the unknown.

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    #576

    Rossco needs to be a floater or a hitter depending on the situation. Same with Kane to an extent.
    The problem with Kane at 1,2 or 3 is momentum. I'd prefer him used if we lose 2 wickets early on, to consolidate. One of Kane or Rossco becomes the nurdler depending on situation.
    We need to have two cracks at an early explosive partnership, so Guppy, Munro and CDG unless the first two get away, then just bring in a support player rather than a slogger.

    Edit: what I'm getting at is flexibility. I don't think we use it enough, especially when playing our two top batsmen that have full skill sets

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    No-one covers themselves in glory and the guys with the IPL chequebooks aren't impressed either.

    Boult, Southee and Santner pick up contracts, but Tim and Mitch are at bargain basement prices.

    Tim gets $156K - less than for example Australian quicks Ben Dwarshius, Jason Berendorff and Nathan Coulter-Nile.

    Santner gets $78K.

    Trent gets $343K.

    So - just seven NZers picked up out of 24 who applied.

    Nobody getting hugely rich overnight.

    Dan Vettori bought BMac, Timmy and CdGh.

    Flem bought Santner.

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    FFS, I did my part and didn't watch the game and NZ puts in another one of those performances. A reality check for Hesson and Larsen.

    Playing poker was a much better way to spend a balmy night, especially after I checked the result.

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    Wow, did we make a mess of that, from selection to performance. Terrible fielding / catching, the attitude with the batting was all wrong from the start.

    Even the umpiring was shit. That we had to use a review for a clear caught behind was a shocker (yes that is what reviews are for for but that was so obvious), I believe that if the ball touches the ground then it is not "on the full" and therefor not out, but the precedent was set long ago. The no ball call on Ish was shit too. Having to bowl a free hit after it beggars belief.

    Flush that whole match.

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    Ferguson dropped, KItchen still there (WTF?), and Blundell is the wicketkeeper.

    Black Caps Twenty20 squad for Australia:

    Kane Williamson (captain), Martin Guptill, Colin Munro, Tom Bruce, Ross Taylor, Anaru Kitchen, Tom Blundell, Colin de Grandhomme, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Seth Rance, Ben Wheeler, Trent Boult, Ish Sodhi.

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    @bovidae said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    Ferguson dropped, KItchen still there (WTF?), and Blundell is the wicketkeeper.

    Black Caps Twenty20 squad for Australia:

    Kane Williamson (captain), Martin Guptill, Colin Munro, Tom Bruce, Ross Taylor, Anaru Kitchen, Tom Blundell, Colin de Grandhomme, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Seth Rance, Ben Wheeler, Trent Boult, Ish Sodhi.

    What am I missing with Kitchen? The guy has a batting average in domestic T20 of 20.01 and four half tons. So at that level he score one every 25 bats ( he's obviously a specialist batsman )

    Also he's 33.

    Can someone please tell me what the fuck he's doing in the Black Caps?

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    @mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    @bovidae said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    Ferguson dropped, KItchen still there (WTF?), and Blundell is the wicketkeeper.

    Black Caps Twenty20 squad for Australia:

    Kane Williamson (captain), Martin Guptill, Colin Munro, Tom Bruce, Ross Taylor, Anaru Kitchen, Tom Blundell, Colin de Grandhomme, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Seth Rance, Ben Wheeler, Trent Boult, Ish Sodhi.

    What am I missing with Kitchen? The guy has a batting average in domestic T20 of 20.01 and four half tons. So at that level he score one every 25 bats ( he's obviously a specialist batsman )

    Also he's 33.

    Can someone please tell me what the fuck he's doing in the Black Caps?

    He's old. Larsen likes selecting old guys.

    He's been a good FC and List A player, his T20 selection is strange. Not even had good recent seasons obscured by a bad career record.

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    @rapido said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    @mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    @bovidae said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    Ferguson dropped, KItchen still there (WTF?), and Blundell is the wicketkeeper.

    Black Caps Twenty20 squad for Australia:

    Kane Williamson (captain), Martin Guptill, Colin Munro, Tom Bruce, Ross Taylor, Anaru Kitchen, Tom Blundell, Colin de Grandhomme, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Seth Rance, Ben Wheeler, Trent Boult, Ish Sodhi.

    What am I missing with Kitchen? The guy has a batting average in domestic T20 of 20.01 and four half tons. So at that level he score one every 25 bats ( he's obviously a specialist batsman )

    Also he's 33.

    Can someone please tell me what the fuck he's doing in the Black Caps?

    He's old. Larsen likes selecting old guys.

    He's been a good FC and List A player, his T20 selection is strange. Not even had good recent seasons obscured by a bad career record.

    It's just odd. Not like his strike rate is incredible either and he's actually even older than Ross Taylor.

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  • No QuarterN Offline
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    I have no idea what they're doing with Kitchen. Waste of space.

    Dropping Ferguson is also really disappointing, he's got good first class numbers and is really starting to find his feet at international level. I want him playing as much as possible to continue his development.

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    @no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    I have no idea what they're doing with Kitchen. Waste of space.

    Dropping Ferguson is also really disappointing, he's got good first class numbers and is really starting to find his feet at international level. I want him playing as much as possible to continue his development.

    We've had periods in the past where we've had to select some pretty damn ordinary players ( far too many to name ) but in the era we're in I expect every player called up to either be extremely young and promising or have an excellent domestic record. Kitchen ticks neither of these boxes.

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  • SnowyS Offline
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    @mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:

    It's just odd. Not like his strike rate is incredible either and he's actually even older than Ross Taylor.

    Who is one of our best batsmen ever and doesn't get selected in the T20 team in spite of being able to up a strike rate better than the captain.
    Ross seemed to get a rough decision yesterday as well, just when he was about to save the day (I don't have any pictures of white knights handy). I think the snicko "could have been anything" as we have heard before from Mr Wrong (apologies that is Llong and it was a hotspot) but my grudges will remain.

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