Black Caps vs Pakistan Series
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Bowling Southee = good to amazing, batting Southee = underwhelming to 'fuck me, that came off ok!!'
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@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
Southee gets shit when he bats like Jeetan Patel - deservedly - when we expect he can bat like Corey Anderson.
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
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@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
Southee gets shit when he bats like Jeetan Patel - deservedly - when we expect he can bat like Corey Anderson.
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
I wonder if Lance Cairns got the same level of shit for his batting as Southee does? ( very similar records )
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@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
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@virgil said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Im still concerned Inzaman could come out and take this away from us..
Say that quietly - Inzi's nephew is in the squad!
We're looking pretty solid in ODIs. Bring in de Grandhomme for Astle (on most pitches) and that gives us a lower order power hitter that today's team was a bit short of (though I've heard the commentators saying that Santner hits the ball as far as anyone else in the team and also talk that Timmy has been working on his batting). Those three firing together would be a pretty potent lower order. Asking Colin to bowl 10 overs on Australian pitches might be interesting, though.
@Labcat - Milne has clocked 153.2. I'd guess he's a few inches taller than Ferguson so should have an advantage in bouncing the ball - on the downside it seems he's made of glass.
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@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
Southee averages about 33 with the ball which is a pretty mediocre average. He's not quite consistent enough to be in the top tier of odi bowlers which is frustrating from a guy who, when in good form, is up there as one of the best in the world.
That's the source of the criticism I think. We watch him producing absolutely world class spells for multiple games and then he'll go a whole series where he bowls 2 or 3 boundary balls an over and lose any kind of threat and the knives come out because we know how much better he can be.
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@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
I recall an alternative set of facts ... can't really remember Timmah getting too much stick for his bowling.
Although I do recall he had a quiet period post that demolition of England in the CWC where some (@mariner4life) may have suggested with justification he may need to pick up his game.
@MN5 re Lance Cairns's batting record. Different time, different expectations and seemingly different levels of application and determination. If Southee applied himself to his batting he could make it a real strength.
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@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
I could be wrong but I have a feeling old mate AH Jones got six 50s in a row back in the world series days. No hundies ( he never got one ) but they were like hens teeth back in those days.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@virgil said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Im still concerned Inzaman could come out and take this away from us..
Say that quietly - Inzi's nephew is in the squad!
We're looking pretty solid in ODIs. Bring in de Grandhomme for Astle (on most pitches) and that gives us a lower order power hitter that today's team was a bit short of (though I've heard the commentators saying that Santner hits the ball as far as anyone else in the team and also talk that Timmy has been working on his batting). Those three firing together would be a pretty potent lower order. Asking Colin to bowl 10 overs on Australian pitches might be interesting, though.
@Labcat - Milne has clocked 153.2. I'd guess he's a few inches taller than Ferguson so should have an advantage in bouncing the ball - on the downside it seems he's made of glass.
Awesome
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@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
I recall an alternative set of facts ... can't really remember Timmah getting too much stick for his bowling.
Although I do recall he had a quiet period post that demolition of England in the CWC where some (@mariner4life) may have suggested with justification he may need to pick up his game.
@MN5 re Lance Cairns's batting record. Different time, different expectations and seemingly different levels of application and determination. If Southee applied himself to his batting he could make it a real strength.
I disagree. Why was Lance exempt from crticism?
Some guys have their days, I remember Jerome Taylor got a hundred vs us so he has the 'talent' but he's done fuck all since.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
I recall an alternative set of facts ... can't really remember Timmah getting too much stick for his bowling.
Although I do recall he had a quiet period post that demolition of England in the CWC where some (@mariner4life) may have suggested with justification he may need to pick up his game.
@MN5 re Lance Cairns's batting record. Different time, different expectations and seemingly different levels of application and determination. If Southee applied himself to his batting he could make it a real strength.
I disagree. Why was Lance exempt from crticism?
Some guys have their days, I remember Jerome Taylor got a hundred vs us so he has the 'talent' but he's done fuck all since.
I'm not saying he is exempt. But I am saying he tried. If he has a similar record I think that is a further mark against Southee's batting as I think Southee has more talent as a batsman.
I give more credit to Chats or Coldplay because they tried to maximise their ability.
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@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@gunner said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@sneakdefreak said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Southee is destroying their top order. 37/4
Not the same Southee everyone loves to hate surely?
I usually bite my tongue but gee the guy gets some undeserved shit and every bastard* goes quiet when he does well.
*including some on here!!!!
His bowling is pretty damn good and he gets no shit for that aspect of play.
Disagree with you here.
He does get shit for his bowling. Everyone goes through ups and downs with form but no one else cops it like Southee when he’s not at his best.He’s right up there amongst the best in all forms when it comes to wickets taken for the Caps, but there are constant calls for his head, he’s done, replace him with Henry blah blah...
On another note, Munro must be getting close to some kind of NZ record for consecutive scores over 50? He’s up to 4 now isn’t he?
I recall an alternative set of facts ... can't really remember Timmah getting too much stick for his bowling.
Although I do recall he had a quiet period post that demolition of England in the CWC where some (@mariner4life) may have suggested with justification he may need to pick up his game.
@MN5 re Lance Cairns's batting record. Different time, different expectations and seemingly different levels of application and determination. If Southee applied himself to his batting he could make it a real strength.
I disagree. Why was Lance exempt from crticism?
Some guys have their days, I remember Jerome Taylor got a hundred vs us so he has the 'talent' but he's done fuck all since.
I'm not saying he is exempt. But I am saying he tried. If he has a similar record I think that is a further mark against Southee's batting as I think Southee has more talent as a batsman.
I give more credit to Chats or Coldplay because they tried to maximise their ability.
I hear some of that but often Southee is the designated hitter and there's always risk in that style of play. Chats was gutsy and good on him but Martin was nothing short of utterly shit.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
I hear some of that but often Southee is the designated hitter and there's always risk in that style of play. Chats was gutsy and good on him but Martin was nothing short of utterly shit.
He cops it for brainless shit though. Hitting out when there's a set batsman at the other end. He gets shit because he clearly could help the team more with a bit of attitude adjustment, but just
doesn'tdidn't seem to give a fark.Bowling has improved out of sight, but was rubbish for some time. Both Boult and Southee seemed to suffer after Bond stopped coaching them, but are back in the saddle now. Arguably our best new ball pair for a really long time
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
I hear some of that but often Southee is the designated hitter and there's always risk in that style of play. Chats was gutsy and good on him but Martin was nothing short of utterly shit.
He cops it for brainless shit though. Hitting out when there's a set batsman at the other end. He gets shit because he clearly could help the team more with a bit of attitude adjustment, but just
doesn'tdidn't seem to give a fark.Bowling has improved out of sight, but was rubbish for some time. Both Boult and Southee seemed to suffer after Bond stopped coaching them, but are back in the saddle now. Arguably our best new ball pair for a really long time
Well yeah but at the risk of flogging the same old dead horse we do every Summer Southee isn't a batsman, he isn't an All rounder, he's a bowler who is a lower order batsman who can bust out some sensational hitting every now and again. Wagner is now ahead of him in the order. What do people actually expect from him?
As for new ball pair I'd go so far as to say best ever given Hadlee and Bond never had anyone remotely as good at the other end.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
Well yeah but at the risk of flogging the same old dead horse we do every Summer Southee isn't a batsman, he isn't an All rounder, he's a bowler who is a lower order batsman who can bust out some sensational hitting every now and again. Wagner is now ahead of him in the order. What do people actually expect from him?
Danny Morrison could stick around to save a game. He was a genuine 11, but cared enough to apply himself.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
I hear some of that but often Southee is the designated hitter and there's always risk in that style of play. Chats was gutsy and good on him but Martin was nothing short of utterly shit.
He cops it for brainless shit though. Hitting out when there's a set batsman at the other end. He gets shit because he clearly could help the team more with a bit of attitude adjustment, but just
doesn'tdidn't seem to give a fark.Bowling has improved out of sight, but was rubbish for some time. Both Boult and Southee seemed to suffer after Bond stopped coaching them, but are back in the saddle now. Arguably our best new ball pair for a really long time
Well yeah but at the risk of flogging the same old dead horse we do every Summer Southee isn't a batsman, he isn't an All rounder, he's a bowler who is a lower order batsman who can bust out some sensational hitting every now and again. Wagner is now ahead of him in the order. What do people actually expect from him?
As for new ball pair I'd go so far as to say best ever given Hadlee and Bond never had anyone remotely as good at the other end.
He could be.
The fact is he HAS to bat. He could be a damn site better at it than he has allowed himself to be to date.
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@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
I hear some of that but often Southee is the designated hitter and there's always risk in that style of play. Chats was gutsy and good on him but Martin was nothing short of utterly shit.
He cops it for brainless shit though. Hitting out when there's a set batsman at the other end. He gets shit because he clearly could help the team more with a bit of attitude adjustment, but just
doesn'tdidn't seem to give a fark.Bowling has improved out of sight, but was rubbish for some time. Both Boult and Southee seemed to suffer after Bond stopped coaching them, but are back in the saddle now. Arguably our best new ball pair for a really long time
Well yeah but at the risk of flogging the same old dead horse we do every Summer Southee isn't a batsman, he isn't an All rounder, he's a bowler who is a lower order batsman who can bust out some sensational hitting every now and again. Wagner is now ahead of him in the order. What do people actually expect from him?
As for new ball pair I'd go so far as to say best ever given Hadlee and Bond never had anyone remotely as good at the other end.
He could be.
The fact is he HAS to bat. He could be a damn site better at it than he has allowed himself to be to date.
Kane Williamson could be a better spinner if he practiced more.
Defensive batting, crease occupation....that's not Southees game. Same could be said for a lot of top order batsmen.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Pakistan Series:
I hear some of that but often Southee is the designated hitter and there's always risk in that style of play. Chats was gutsy and good on him but Martin was nothing short of utterly shit.
He cops it for brainless shit though. Hitting out when there's a set batsman at the other end. He gets shit because he clearly could help the team more with a bit of attitude adjustment, but just
doesn'tdidn't seem to give a fark.Bowling has improved out of sight, but was rubbish for some time. Both Boult and Southee seemed to suffer after Bond stopped coaching them, but are back in the saddle now. Arguably our best new ball pair for a really long time
Well yeah but at the risk of flogging the same old dead horse we do every Summer Southee isn't a batsman, he isn't an All rounder, he's a bowler who is a lower order batsman who can bust out some sensational hitting every now and again. Wagner is now ahead of him in the order. What do people actually expect from him?
As for new ball pair I'd go so far as to say best ever given Hadlee and Bond never had anyone remotely as good at the other end.
He could be.
The fact is he HAS to bat. He could be a damn site better at it than he has allowed himself to be to date.
Kane Williamson could be a better spinner if he practiced more.
Yes. But is not obligated to bowl.
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Well @Chris-B mentioned they'd been working on his batting before the season started and I have to say he's been very good so far in limited opportunities. Good to see.
