D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders
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I'm sure the Irish would have done a great job, but I'm not surprised that France won the bid. They're the hub of professionalism for a range of nations. I look forward to going there.
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Get. Fucked.
France again already? Fuck "World" Rugby. At least their whole process has been shown to be an expensive sham. FIFA-lite.
I'm sure Samoa are stoked, as maybe they won't go bankrupt owing $400k....
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@mariner4life said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
Get. Fucked.
France again already? Fuck "World" Rugby. At least their whole process has been shown to be an expensive sham. FIFA-lite.
I'm sure some Samoa Rugby administratorsare stoked, as maybe they will be able to appropriate shitloads more dosh and Samoa won't go bankrupt owing only $400k....
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Warning - assumption only
2023 Rugby World Cup vote breakdown on Round 1
Ireland
England 3
North America 2
Canada 1
USA 1
*Oceania 1 (split vote)
Total: 8South Africa
Wales 3
New Zealand 3
Australia 3
Argentina 3
Oceania 1 (split)
Total: 13France
Scotland 3
Italy 3
Japan 2
Asia 2
South America 2
Europe 2
Africa 2
Georgia 1
Romania 1
Total: 18England, USA, Canada, Oceania shifted to France in Round 2.
Scotland said they were going to vote for whoever would generate the most money so they backed France. Italy did the same. Wales said they were bound to follow the recommendation since Gerald Davies was on the Rugby World Cup board. Those 9 votes were pivotal to Ireland’s demise.
Unlike SANZAR who stuck together in backing SA, the myth of the Home Union unity got exposed as votes split three ways. Equally, the three original unions in the PRO12 didn’t back Ireland either.
If just Wales had backed Ireland, it would have knocked SA out and removed the obligation to vote for the recommended union. Scotland or Italy had eyes only for the promised surplus from France – 55% of which would be split amongst the Tier 1 unions – about £4m each.
Money talks. Reports take a back seat.
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@pot-hale Is that a public release or mere supposition?
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@antipodean said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@pot-hale Is that a public release or mere supposition?
Pure idle speculation, supposition and assumptions by lil’ ole me based on media reports and reported quotes from people involved in bids.
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Money talks and bullshit walks. Fourth time now that WorldRugby has kicked SARU in the balls. Wonder if they have the stamina to go for it in 2027? Or should they?
Question though is does any Southern Hemisphere nation have the capacity to increase on the so called £350 mil promised to WorldRugby by the frogs? I suspect WorldRugby is going to have to take a knock if they want to see the RWC in the Southern Hemisphere. So 3 RWC in the Nothern Hemisphere.
What irked me the most was that the CAR vote went to the Frogs, fucking useless pricks. Getting free boarding at SARU offices. Hope you get a fucking eviction notice, godam pricks.
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Quick query:
@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
North America 2
Canada 1
USA 1Que?
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@g-man said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
My opinion on the next RWC;
2027 it will be Australia...2031 it will be Ireland, Wales or England...in that order.
Best SA can hope for is for 2035...and then we'll have to compete with NZ.
Based on this result it's never going outside of France and England. Money. Money. Money.
NZ will never host another RWC. We can't compete $ wise.
I can't help feel that the world of rugby (as opposed to World Rugby) have missed a trick here.
I would love to see RWCs in places like Ireland, Italy, Argentina, Canada, and back to South Africa before they forget how to play the game.
But the money has won out.
Very disappointed.
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@nepia said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
How is it that Canada, Romania, Georgia and the USA get their own votes but the PIs have to share a vote between three? That's just bollocks.
They have two votes between them - but they split them in the vote. Doesn't seem consistent though that some tier 2 unions have their own votes and others do not.
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@nepia said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
How is it that Canada, Romania, Georgia and the USA get their own votes but the PIs have to share a vote between three? That's just bollocks.
Because those countries met the IRB's governance standards and could account for the millions of IRB grants that had headed their way.
Imagine giving more voting power to the heads of organisations that the IRB already know use rugby money to feather individual nests.
We'd be heading for 'Salt Lake City - Lord of the Rings' territory.
The first step to the PI's increasing their voting influence is to administer themselves better. With the SRU currently in a dispute with IRB, nothing much has changed in at least one of the 3 PI unions in the 3 years since the IRB shook up their voting structure and granted more votes to Tier 2 unions.
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On the actual selection.
I'm not that surprised. A week or so ago, I tried to do an analysis of where I thought we could assume the votes would go.
While I could come up with some definites (which had France way out in Front), there were also so many unknowns that I didn't bother posting on here what I came up with.France has a lot of friends in the continental federations, and fair enough for the work that FIRA used to do when the IRB was just an 8 country club.
