2017 November Internationals
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Manu Tuilagi update, from the Times UK
Manu Tuilagi: A witchdoctor found three lady spirits who had married onto me
“I saw the witchdoctor for two hours a day for four days. She massaged my whole body — all I needed was a towel and the Fijian oil. She was half-Fijian and half-Samoan and found out that there were three lady spirits who had married themselves on to me for the last three years.
“The witchdoctor told me that was why I had been injured. The spirits wanted me for themselves — they wanted to punish me and injuring me was the way to do it. Every time I played — bang.
“Instead of beating me physically they made sure I was injured but that is gone now and the whole body massages have blocked the spirits from me. They can’t see me, they can’t find me now. Although when they read the newspaper they will know where I am again.
Manu Tuilagi: A witchdoctor found three lady spirits who had married onto me
Manu Tuilagi flew home to Samoa last week on a quest to get rid of an injury curse that has plagued him for the past three years. The England centre took time a
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@infidel said in 2017 November Internationals:
Manu Tuilagi update, from the Times UK
Manu Tuilagi: A witchdoctor found three lady spirits who had married onto me
“I saw the witchdoctor for two hours a day for four days. She massaged my whole body — all I needed was a towel and the Fijian oil. She was half-Fijian and half-Samoan and found out that there were three lady spirits who had married themselves on to me for the last three years.
“The witchdoctor told me that was why I had been injured. The spirits wanted me for themselves — they wanted to punish me and injuring me was the way to do it. Every time I played — bang.
“Instead of beating me physically they made sure I was injured but that is gone now and the whole body massages have blocked the spirits from me. They can’t see me, they can’t find me now. Although when they read the newspaper they will know where I am again.
Manu Tuilagi: A witchdoctor found three lady spirits who had married onto me
Manu Tuilagi flew home to Samoa last week on a quest to get rid of an injury curse that has plagued him for the past three years. The England centre took time a
I was quite surprised he came out to the public with this. Western cultures wouldn't understand this part of our Samoan culture.
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@mimic said in 2017 November Internationals:
@infidel said in 2017 November Internationals:
Manu Tuilagi update, from the Times UK
Manu Tuilagi: A witchdoctor found three lady spirits who had married onto me
“I saw the witchdoctor for two hours a day for four days. She massaged my whole body — all I needed was a towel and the Fijian oil. She was half-Fijian and half-Samoan and found out that there were three lady spirits who had married themselves on to me for the last three years.
“The witchdoctor told me that was why I had been injured. The spirits wanted me for themselves — they wanted to punish me and injuring me was the way to do it. Every time I played — bang.
“Instead of beating me physically they made sure I was injured but that is gone now and the whole body massages have blocked the spirits from me. They can’t see me, they can’t find me now. Although when they read the newspaper they will know where I am again.
Manu Tuilagi: A witchdoctor found three lady spirits who had married onto me
Manu Tuilagi flew home to Samoa last week on a quest to get rid of an injury curse that has plagued him for the past three years. The England centre took time a
I was quite surprised he came out to the public with this. Western cultures wouldn't understand this part of our Samoan culture.
I've seen Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Witch doctors severely hindered his fighting ability.
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England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
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@catogrande What's with Itoje and Farrell?
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Ireland side for SA.
Henshaw at 13 and Conway and Stockdale starting on the wings is the most pleasing thing. Aki inclusion, less said the better. Pleased for Sweetnam to make the backs bench along with the improving James Ryan. Schmidt developing the stocks nicely. Ruddock very unlucky to miss out to POM on the blind - he’s been superb for Leinster so far this season.
15 Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 76 caps
14 Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 3 caps
13 Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 29 caps
12 Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht)*
11 Jacob Stockdale (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 2 caps
10 Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 66 caps
9 Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 57 caps1 Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 70 caps
2 Rory Best (c) (Banbridge/Ulster) c 104 caps
3 Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 16 caps
4 Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 32 caps
5 Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 50 caps
6 Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 40 caps
7 Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 49 caps
8 CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 15 capsReplacements
16. Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
17. Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 20 caps
18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 9 caps
19. James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
20. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster) 16 caps
21. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 16 caps
22. Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 4 caps
23. Darren Sweetnam (Cork Constitution/Munster)* -
@pot-hale Having seen any games, but hear Henshaw has been very good at 13.
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@pot-hale said in 2017 November Internationals:
Ireland side for SA.
Henshaw at 13 and Conway and Stockdale starting on the wings is the most pleasing thing. Aki inclusion, less said the better. Pleased for Sweetnam to make the backs bench along with the improving James Ryan. Schmidt developing the stocks nicely. Ruddock very unlucky to miss out to POM on the blind - he’s been superb for Leinster so far this season.
- Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 76 caps
- Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 3 caps
- Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 29 caps
- Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht)*
- Jacob Stockdale (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 2 caps
- Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 66 caps
- Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 57 caps
- Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 70 caps
- Rory Best (c) (Banbridge/Ulster) c 104 caps
- Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 16 caps
- Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 32 caps
- Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 50 caps
- Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 40 caps
- Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 49 caps
- CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 15 caps
Replacements
16. Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
17. Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 20 caps
18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 9 caps
19. James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
20. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster) 16 caps
21. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 16 caps
22. Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 4 caps
23. Darren Sweetnam (Cork Constitution/Munster)*I'm not sure that I'm a fan of the new numbering system - seems a bit confusing.
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@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
@pot-hale said in 2017 November Internationals:
Ireland side for SA.
Henshaw at 13 and Conway and Stockdale starting on the wings is the most pleasing thing. Aki inclusion, less said the better. Pleased for Sweetnam to make the backs bench along with the improving James Ryan. Schmidt developing the stocks nicely. Ruddock very unlucky to miss out to POM on the blind - he’s been superb for Leinster so far this season.
- Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 76 caps
- Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 3 caps
- Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 29 caps
- Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht)*
- Jacob Stockdale (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 2 caps
- Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster) 66 caps
- Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 57 caps
- Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 70 caps
- Rory Best (c) (Banbridge/Ulster) c 104 caps
- Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 16 caps
- Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 32 caps
- Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 50 caps
- Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 40 caps
- Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 49 caps
- CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 15 caps
Replacements
16. Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 1 cap
17. Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 20 caps
18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 9 caps
19. James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
20. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster) 16 caps
21. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 16 caps
22. Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 4 caps
23. Darren Sweetnam (Cork Constitution/Munster)*I'm not sure that I'm a fan of the new numbering system - seems a bit confusing.
Considering that your old numbering system goes 15-9,1-8 that's saying something.
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@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
I know Steady Eddie likes to experiment but has Mike Brown bulked up enough to play loosehead? How is Nathan Hughes under the high ball?
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@pakman said in 2017 November Internationals:
@pot-hale Having seen any games, but hear Henshaw has been very good at 13.
Yes. He’s been in superb form there for Leinster this season - was wasted at 12 in my view. It’ll create a nice bit of competition/depth in midfield with Ringrose coming back in January, and McCloskey and Chris Farrell pushing for the 12 jersey. Tom Farrell at Connacht is also developing nicely in that role.
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@crucial said in 2017 November Internationals:
@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
I know Steady Eddie likes to experiment but has Mike Brown bulked up enough to play loosehead? How is Nathan Hughes under the high ball?
Brown has the pace for loosehead for sure.
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@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
In fairness to Brown, last time out against Argentina his passing featured prominently in a couple of the tries.
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@disgusted-of-tw said in 2017 November Internationals:
@catogrande said in 2017 November Internationals:
England team to play Argentina.
England XV: Mike Brown; Anthony Watson, Jonathan Joseph, Henry Slade, Elliot Daly; George Ford, Ben Youngs; Mako Vunipola, Dylan Hartley (capt), Dan Cole; Courtney Lawes, George Kruis; Chris Robshaw, Sam Underhill, Nathan Hughes
Replacements: Jamie George, Ellis Genge, Harry Williams, Joe Launchbury, Tom Curry, Danny Care, Alex Lozowski, Semesa Rokoduguni
Interesting to see Slade given a go at 12, he's been playing either 10 or 13 for his club, though I see him more as a 12. Seems Eddie does too. Mike Brown perhaps a bit lucky to be starting as he seems to have lost a little pace but has a acquired a reluctance to pass. Still a safe option at 15 though.
In fairness to Brown, last time out against Argentina his passing featured prominently in a couple of the tries.
Yeah, he was also looking good out in Argentina but was pretty ordinary during the 6N.
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@mn5 said in 2017 November Internationals:
@pakman said in 2017 November Internationals:
@pot-hale Having seen any games, but hear Henshaw has been very good at 13.
Major disappointment on the Lions tour but. Lots of people had him pencilled into the rest team.
Agreed - although at 12 not 13.
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(Men's) Barbarians to play Tonga:
15 George Bridge (Crusaders)
14 Taqele Naiyaravoro (Waratahs & Australia)
13 Richard Buckman (Highlanders)
12 Harold Vorster (Lions)
11 Vince Aso (Hurricanes)
10 Robert du Preez (Stormers)
9 Nic Stirzaker (Rebels, Vice captain)
1 James Cronin (Munster and Ireland)
2 Akker van der Merwe (Sharks)
3 Brian Scott (Munster)
4 Geoff Parling (Munakata Sanix Blues & England, Captain)
5 Quinn Roux (Connacht & Ireland)
6 Jordi Murphy (Leinster & Ireland)
7 Simone Favaro (Fiamme Oro & Italy)
8 Willie Britz (Sunwolves)Replacements
16 Adriaan Strauss (Bulls & South Africa)
17 Jacques van Rooyen (Lions)
18 Ruan Smith (Toyota Verblitz)
19 Donncha O’Callaghan (Worcester Warriors & Ireland)
20 John Muldoon (Connacht & Ireland)
21 Andy Ellis (Kobelco Steelers & New Zealand)
22 David Smith (Castres)
23 Sam Carter (Brumbies & Australia)Women's Barbarians to play Munster Women:
15 Elen Evans (Caernarfon & Wales)
14 Tova Derk (Wasps & Sweden)
13 Vicki Jackson (Wasps & England)
12 Megan Goddard (Gloucester-Hartpury & England)
11 Jackie Shiels (Old Belvedere & Ireland)
10 Christelle LeDuff (SO Villonguet & France)
9 Emma Jensen (College Rifles & New Zealand)
1 Fiona Coghlan (UL Bohemians & Ireland, captain)
2 Amy Garnett (Saracens & England)
3 Claire Cripps (Wasps & England)
4 Marie Reilly (Old Belvedere & Ireland)
5 Lenaige Corson (Stade Rennais & France)
6 Susie Brown (Richmond & Scotland)
7 Rachel Taylor (Caernarfon & Wales)
8 Kelly Russell (Toronto Nomads & Canada)Replacements
16 Ailis Egan (Old Belvedere & Ireland)
17 Tracy Balmer (Worcester & Scotland)
18 Edel McMahon (Galwegians)
19 Becky Essex (Richmond & England)
20 Nora Stapleton (Old Belvedere & Ireland)
21 Amanda Thornborough (Westshore & Canada)
22 Georgina Roberts (Darlington MP Sharks & England)
23 Tania Rosser (Blackrock & Ireland)A lot of internationals from this year's women's world cup in this team. The only Kiwi in the team is former Black Fern and triple (2002, 2006 and 2010) World Cup winner Emma Jensen.
