Springboks v All Blacks
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2/3rds through the game with nz having 2 tries and Saffa 1 - it occurred to me that NZs 2 tries were very old school. Both scrappy opportunities from opposition mistakes. While the Saffa try was very, very modern. Plonking it down it front of the metre wide goal pads (dumbest law in rugby, imagine a RWC final getting decided that way one day, will be humiliating for the sport)
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After nz went 8 up with 2 mins to go my attention drifted and I started looking at my phone, then I look up and we have a defensive lineout metres from our line. So I rewind to see who gave away the penalty for us to be there, phantom penalty. No idea what it was for or who gave it away. I saw nothing and Garces didn't signal advantage?
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Judging by the lack of reaction on here, I take it most (nz fans) didnt have an issue with the Crotty try?
I didn't.
For me that just an example of TMOs and super, super slow-mo cameras making the game a bit harder than it needs to be.
But after that my heart skipped a beat for both Ioane & DMac's tries with the way they grounded it. Someone take them aside and discuss proper grounding techniques please.
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@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
2/3rds through the game with nz having 2 tries and Saffa 1 - it occurred to me that NZs 2 tries were very old school. Both scrappy opportunities from opposition mistakes. While the Saffa try was very, very modern. Plonking it down it front of the metre wide goal pads (dumbest law in rugby, imagine a RWC final getting decided that way one day, will be humiliating for the sport)
No it won't
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@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Judging by the lack of reaction on here, I take it most (nz fans) didnt have an issue with the Crotty try?
I didn't.
For me that just an example of TMOs and super, super slow-mo cameras making the game a bit harder than it needs to be.
But after that my heart skipped a beat for both Ioane & DMac's tries with the way they grounded it. Someone take them aside and discuss proper grounding techniques please.
Agreeing fully here.
Crotty's was worth a look. But imo he got downward pressure from his forearm. IIRC "control" isn't necessary when forcing a loose ball.
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@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Judging by the lack of reaction on here, I take it most (nz fans) didnt have an issue with the Crotty try?
I didn't.
For me that just an example of TMOs and super, super slow-mo cameras making the game a bit harder than it needs to be.
But after that my heart skipped a beat for both Ioane & DMac's tries with the way they grounded it. Someone take them aside and discuss proper grounding techniques please.
Agreeing fully here.
Crotty's was worth a look. But imo he got downward pressure from his forearm. IIRC "control" isn't necessary when forcing a loose ball.
And further @Rapido those placings for the 2nd & 3rd introduced an unnecessary element of risk. (If you wanted to you might find a wee bobble in Ioane's ... )
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Bok lineout pretty much immaculate today. Apart from one Pat T steal at the front. Well done Marx and the whole unit on improvement from Albany.
But, PSDT - the extra height. Got burned out wide on the DMac try. To be fair he's a big guy late into a 90 minute match.
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@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Judging by the lack of reaction on here, I take it most (nz fans) didnt have an issue with the Crotty try?
I didn't.
For me that just an example of TMOs and super, super slow-mo cameras making the game a bit harder than it needs to be.
But after that my heart skipped a beat for both Ioane & DMac's tries with the way they grounded it. Someone take them aside and discuss proper grounding techniques please.
Agreeing fully here.
Crotty's was worth a look. But imo he got downward pressure from his forearm. IIRC "control" isn't necessary when forcing a loose ball.
Yeah - Crotty's, I put the "how would I feel if the opposition was given that try" test to it. And I ended up thinking - 50/50.
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seen plenty of those given (and not) he had contact (control...?) with the ball and remained in contact the whole time, thats the key bit, as he didnt knock it on.
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@kruse said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
@rapido said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Judging by the lack of reaction on here, I take it most (nz fans) didnt have an issue with the Crotty try?
I didn't.
For me that just an example of TMOs and super, super slow-mo cameras making the game a bit harder than it needs to be.
But after that my heart skipped a beat for both Ioane & DMac's tries with the way they grounded it. Someone take them aside and discuss proper grounding techniques please.
Agreeing fully here.
Crotty's was worth a look. But imo he got downward pressure from his forearm. IIRC "control" isn't necessary when forcing a loose ball.
Yeah - Crotty's, I put the "how would I feel if the opposition was given that try" test to it. And I ended up thinking - 50/50.
I thought the ref team explained the reasoning very clearly. It was 50/50 on the grounding by hand but because he knocked it back he was still able to ground it with the body.
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Yay finally a test match worth viewing again
Well done Boks for that defensive effort and a typical home town prformance we haven't seen too much of lately
Good win for Read and co. Dead rubber, some injury forced selections and a fair bit of travelling, oh and 10 mins overtime
We had a plan in the first half to stay awau from the breakdown? I guess so
Bok defence made us search and search for a hole which is credit to them
SBW good at tackling (when he's mad at being responsible for turnovers...) - he's straightening the attck quite well but not playing great at all
Squire keeps on going and is the steel in the trio - good boy
Todd shored up rucks and things when he got on - good player and a better fit in the big games than Savea
All subs were good actually - Tunga great around the park, Havilli is on the magic dust in his into career already, Tuipolutu, best appearance for years, TKB calm, Lima distributing well, Taylor always good.
Hey NZRU, wanna save 150k a year? Sack the lineout coach and simply throw every lineout to number 1 - straight at his chest and about a metre and a half in front of 5 yards - works every fucking time!
Nobody in the reffing world has a problem with holding the legs of opposition standing behind a ruck huh?
Can we make tactics where the entire team rolls and crawls along the ground when tackled? There's easy metres to be gained there. the no call on SBW who got up in a tackle and tried again was the worst non decision of a night of spazzing along the turf
I suppose no ruck reffing equals a brutal free for all of a game...
My old rugby eyes see no try to Crotty and no red for the SA centre, but modern rugby tells me that De Allende is far more dangerous than 120kg flying missiles over a ruck....?
Overall a good game to be part of (we're all stakehoders
) and a hark back to the brutalityhappy for a win and happy that the Boks and supporters hopefully can see their mojo again
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@snowy said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Nice to see that Garces has learnt the offside law about playing a ball from a knock on by your own player.
Remarkably similar to last time but he didn't "make a deal" and cost us a match and series. Obviously has his betting account being watched now.
And yet the Etzebeth playing at the ball was actuall far more accidental than that fat fucker catching the bloody thing!
Is that "irony" or just plain "fuck-nuckleness"
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@siam said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Marshal was at peak dickhead last night - "audacity" officially retired by Oxford to be replaced by "audaciousness"
He's been watching too much American sports, those comms mangle the Queen's English and blurt that sort of crap all the time.
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@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Took too long for Garces to cotton on to Dreyer.
Dropped the first scrum then angled in all afternoon.
The other problem, which contributed to the first scrum collapse, is that Marx pulls Dreyer's jersey up as he packs down a scrum. The end result is that Hames has nothing to grab when he binds.
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@booboo said in Springboks v All Blacks:
Took too long for Garces to cotton on to Dreyer.
Dropped the first scrum then angled in all afternoon.
But French refs know everything about scrummaging!
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Was disappointed in some of the ABs first up tackles on the likes of Marx and Etzebeth. Our guys kept going high and being bumped off. Todd I think it was chopped Etzebeth around the ankles late in the game, why did it take someone so long to think that was a good idea?
But what a test match.
Physicality, free flowing and just great to watch.
I agreed with the red card, a deliberate elbow to the neck/face leaves the officials with no choice IMO.
I also agreed with the Crotty try, but can see why other might not.Did anyone else think there was a slight obstruction on the Marx lineout drive try? I thought it was worth another look as him and the guy in front of him splintered off from the pack and I thought the fulla in front of him may have created a clear path for Marx?
Good to go another 4N undefeated 👍🏼
Bring on the EOYT.
Replacement for NMS needed, maybe they'll have a look at Duffie now, if they weren't already going to.
