Crusaders 2018
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@nepia said in Crusaders 2018:
As for your last petulant comment in brackets, seriously WTF does where I live have to do with anything?
It wasn't petulant (are you a 65 year old woman? because you sound like my mother) .......It's relevent, I was talking about community sport and club rugby. I doubt you follow either with much passion given you live in another country and never comment on those type of threads on here.
I do apologise if you've kept up your memberships to the local hawkes bay athletics, rugby or cricket club etc whilst living in Australia, however I think I'm pretty safe in assuming you haven't.
My comments were specifically about Oli Jager, I know for a fact he's made a big contribution to the local community and deserves his place.
I know you'd love to make this into a Canterbury v everyone else argument, find someone else to have that discussion with, I can't be bothered doing it for the 700th time with you.
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@sammyc said in Crusaders 2018:
@nepia said in Crusaders 2018:
As for your last petulant comment in brackets, seriously WTF does where I live have to do with anything?
It wasn't petulant (are you a 65 year old woman? because you sound like my mother) .......It's relevent, I was talking about community sport and club rugby. I doubt you follow either with much passion given you live in another country and never comment on those type of threads on here.
I do apologise if you've kept up your memberships to the local hawkes bay athletics, rugby or cricket club etc whilst living in Australia, however I think I'm pretty safe in assuming you haven't.
My comments were specifically about Oli Jager, I know for a fact he's made a big contribution to the local community and deserves his place.
I know you'd love to make this into a Canterbury v everyone else argument, find someone else to have that discussion with, I can't be bothered doing it for the 700th time with you.
Give it a rest, I follow as much rugby as I can at all levels (I've even been to the odd Sydney club match this year) and keep up with HB club and schools rugby via the Magpies pages on here and in discussions with friends and family back home.
FFS, unless you've posted as someone else on here I can barely remember having arguments over Canterbury/Crusaders with you - there's barely been any of those arguments since the pre-Blackadder days. Also, this is a thread about the Crusaders, why would we not be discussing Canterbury in this context?
Also, the discussion about overseas players in NZ is not just limited to this thread, it's a bit of a hot topic, we're not going to avoid discussing the Crusaders role in this because some of you guys can't handle criticism of Crusaders/Canterbury even if other franchises (e.g the Chiefs) are getting the same criticism.
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@nepia said in Crusaders 2018:
@sammyc said in Crusaders 2018:
@nepia said in Crusaders 2018:
Also, the discussion about overseas players in NZ is not just limited to this thread, it's a bit of a hot topic, we're not going to avoid discussing the Crusaders role in this because some of you guys can't handle criticism of Crusaders/Canterbury even if other franchises (e.g the Chiefs) are getting the same criticism.
Again you try to make an argument that doesn't exist.....
I can definitely handle criticism of the Crusaders...... I'm pretty sure I was one of their biggest critics on here during the Blackadder years. I was constantly calling for Blackadder and Riach to be fired, I also (very much wrongly) gave frank and honest opinions about my lack of faith in the Robertson appointment .
Can I make myself any clearer... I'm talking about Oli Jager. I think his case, for reasons posted above, is different to the other players you keep mentioning to make your point.
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In negotiations with the Crusaders to return for another season, the 30-year-old midfielder could present a lengthy highlight reel from this year's Mitre 10 Cup campaign with Canterbury when bargaining with the Christchurch-based franchise.
Bateman on Friday admitted "some progress" towards a new deal had been made, but refrained from delving into the subject with media.
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@kiwimurph said in Crusaders 2018:
Any favourite on who will replace Leon MacDonald as Crusaders backs coach?
Bevan Cadwallader?
One article speculated Jon Preston - would be a reasonable option. Struggling to think of anyone else obviously available who is at a similar level.
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People can criticise the make-up of the Crusaders squad all they like. The reality is that the Crusaders are operating within the NZRU rules, so if posters have an issue with too many foreign players they should take it up with the NZRU. And if people are genuinely worried about foreign players impacting negatively on our depth then it really doesn't matter whether they are 1st tier or 2nd tier eligible. Also, it's a bit rich people moaning about two Crusaders props being ineligible (Jager and Ala'alatoa) when you consider how many test props we've developed. If you include Tim Perry who came into the AB squad as injury cover, there have been four Crusaders props involved in this year's Rugby Championship for the All Blacks. And a 5th, Nepo Laulala, spent years developing his craft with Canterbury and the Crusaders academy as well. We're certainly doing our bit in terms of developing props.
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Actually, given that rationale, its worse - in that they are using their clearly world class coaching resources on two guys who could go on to represent key competitors.
But you're right. I'll get right on the phone to Steve, rather than share my opinion here on a rugby discussion forum.
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aah, who gives a fuck. if the local boys want a run, they just need to be better than them - which they need to do to be ABs anyway.
if some fluffybunny has grown up in ireland and is a better footy player than you, then he's the one who has made the most of his opportunities, not you. -
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders 2018:
Any favourite on who will replace Leon MacDonald as Crusaders backs coach?
Tabai Matson's back in CHCH isn't he? I reckon he'd be a good fit. Had Canterbury's backline humming along very nicely when he was head coach.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2018:
Actually, given that rationale, its worse - in that they are using their clearly world class coaching resources on two guys who could go on to represent key competitors.
But you're right. I'll get right on the phone to Steve, rather than share my opinion here on a rugby discussion forum.
They could go on to represent the All Blacks as well. In which case all the work and resources that the Crusaders have put into them would suddenly become worth it, right? You're welcome to share your opinion, but your issue is with the NZRU, not Crusaders fans. The NZRU makes the rules, the Crusaders simply follow them.
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@sammyc said in Crusaders 2018:
@nepia said in Crusaders 2018:
@sammyc said in Crusaders 2018:
@nepia said in Crusaders 2018:
Also, the discussion about overseas players in NZ is not just limited to this thread, it's a bit of a hot topic, we're not going to avoid discussing the Crusaders role in this because some of you guys can't handle criticism of Crusaders/Canterbury even if other franchises (e.g the Chiefs) are getting the same criticism.
Again you try to make an argument that doesn't exist.....
I can definitely handle criticism of the Crusaders...... I'm pretty sure I was one of their biggest critics on here during the Blackadder years. I was constantly calling for Blackadder and Riach to be fired, I also (very much wrongly) gave frank and honest opinions about my lack of faith in the Robertson appointment .
Can I make myself any clearer... I'm talking about Oli Jager. I think his case, for reasons posted above, is different to the other players you keep mentioning to make your point.
Ok, if you want to just solely focus on Jager and pretend that this discussion hasn't been fluid, then - personally, I still think he shouldn't be eligible for NZ squads. If he declares fullstop he's only going to play for NZ then there's no reason not to pick him I guess (even if I don't agree with that policy) but if he returns to the NH then we've wasted spots for locals, locals who have contributed to the local rugby community and were also born or grew up here. As gt12 stated early on he could turn out to be a bad investment for NZ rugby.
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@cantab79 said in Crusaders 2018:
People can criticise the make-up of the Crusaders squad all they like. The reality is that the Crusaders are operating within the NZRU rules, so if posters have an issue with too many foreign players they should take it up with the NZRU. And if people are genuinely worried about foreign players impacting negatively on our depth then it really doesn't matter whether they are 1st tier or 2nd tier eligible. Also, it's a bit rich people moaning about two Crusaders props being ineligible (Jager and Ala'alatoa) when you consider how many test props we've developed. If you include Tim Perry who came into the AB squad as injury cover, there have been four Crusaders props involved in this year's Rugby Championship for the All Blacks. And a 5th, Nepo Laulala, spent years developing his craft with Canterbury and the Crusaders academy as well. We're certainly doing our bit in terms of developing props.
AC, I think you'll find people have issue with the rules that allows them to pick up multiple foreigners - and that applies across the board for all franchises.
I think it's fine to draw a distinction between tier 1 and tier 2, but the tier 2 places should be limited. Imagine if the Wallabies had unleashed Nadolo on us after his stand out performances for the Crusaders. (Thankfully while the Wallabies will pick up any Fijian wingers they stumble across in either code they luckily for us missed their home grown one).
Your props point is a good one, we don't want that pathway drying up because local props are blocked by foreign props. You know the Crusaders job is to develop tight forwards and (a the odd 10) to get ball for the rest of the franchise's backs.
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@cantab79 said in Crusaders 2018:
People can criticise the make-up of the Crusaders squad all they like. The reality is that the Crusaders are operating within the NZRU rules, so if posters have an issue with too many foreign players they should take it up with the NZRU.
Nah. I'll just whinge about it here.
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So, Jed Brown is going to be out for most of the Super season. I was thinking he should be signed as openside cover for Todd and Samu, but I don't think he's crucial enough to warrant signing injured.
Other "in-region" options seem like Manawatu's Bedwell-Curtis (though seemed like he got used more at 6 than 7?); Vern Fredericks (he's playing 7 for the Mako$ this year, but that's a new development - he's more an 8/6 to my mind); Billy Harmon; Ethan Blackadder.
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Not sure I like the idea of Delaney hogging a spot in the squad for the entire season. I'd have thought Tim Bateman would do just as good a job as an injury crisis 10 in a one-off week.
If Mo'unga or Hunt were to be injured for longer than that, then you call in Delaney or Breen or Christie to the squad.
I'd hate to see us lose Will Jordan or Josh McKay just so that Delaney can play club rugby in Christchurch at the Crusaders' expense.
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Blues should have taken Delaney after black went down
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@muddyriver Maybe they'll get Beaver?
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If Delaney is going to the Crusaders and Marty McKenzie is available he would be a reasonable option to replace Black.
He has a good combination with Perofeta at Taranaki where they swap between 10 & 15. The Blues could copy that and not use Collins..
