Two squads for the away legs
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I'd like to see Naholo Laumape and havili get a go vs Argentina.
Throw in Asafo Aumua for good measure.
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A little unconventional but I would be tempted to send Read and younger side to Argentina, with most veterans going to RSA under Cane.
We've played unpredictably poor anytime we have tried to half-ass a team like SA away in 2011, the Samoa test, Chicago last year... I hope they have learned from it.
Resting our three best line out options at once seems like a recipe for disaster.
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The squad to travel to Argentina is:
Forwards: Wyatt Crockett, Kane Hames, Nepo Laulala, Jeffery Toomaga Allen, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, Scott Barrett, Luke Romano, Patrick Tuipulotu, Vaea Fifita, Jerome Kaino, Kieran Read (captain), Ardie Savea and Matt Todd.Backs: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Lima Sopoaga, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Sonny Bill Williams, Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Damian McKenzie, Nehe Milner-Skudder and Waisake Naholo
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@mimic said in Two squads for the away legs:
The squad to travel to Argentina is:
Forwards: Wyatt Crockett, Kane Hames, Nepo Laulala, Jeffery Toomaga Allen, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, Scott Barrett, Luke Romano, Patrick Tuipulotu, Vaea Fifita, Jerome Kaino, Kieran Read (captain), Ardie Savea and Matt Todd.Backs: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Lima Sopoaga, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Sonny Bill Williams, Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Damian McKenzie, Nehe Milner-Skudder and Waisake Naholo
An interesting juggling act here. Don't want to disrupt the team too much on an away leg, but need to rest a few for the final match. I think they'll go with
Hames, Taylor, Ofa, Romano, Barrett, Kaino, Savea, Read, Perenara, Sopoaga, Ioane, Laumape, ALB, Naholo, Havili
Harris, Crockett, JTA, Fifita, Todd, TKB, DMac, SBW
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@Cantab79 said in Two squads for the away legs:
@rotated said in Two squads for the away legs:
Resting our three best line out options at once seems like a recipe for disaster.
Read is our best and most prolific line out option, so we're not resting our best three.
And when Barrett came on to replace Squire on Saturday, they threw to him a bit also.
Have Read and Kaino with two locks and we should be fine.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Two squads for the away legs:
@mimic said in Two squads for the away legs:
The squad to travel to Argentina is:
Forwards: Wyatt Crockett, Kane Hames, Nepo Laulala, Jeffery Toomaga Allen, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, Scott Barrett, Luke Romano, Patrick Tuipulotu, Vaea Fifita, Jerome Kaino, Kieran Read (captain), Ardie Savea and Matt Todd.Backs: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Lima Sopoaga, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Sonny Bill Williams, Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Damian McKenzie, Nehe Milner-Skudder and Waisake Naholo
An interesting juggling act here. Don't want to disrupt the team too much on an away leg, but need to rest a few for the final match. I think they'll go with
Hames, Taylor, Ofa, Romano, Barrett, Kaino, Savea, Read, Perenara, Sopoaga, Ioane, Laumape, ALB, Naholo, Havili
Harris, Crockett, JTA, Fifita, Todd, TKB, DMac, SBW
Why rest Coles? He has had about 3 games in 6 months. Would also be surprised if SBW was rested given all the other changes and would think Todd will start ahead of Savea as we have seen before.
Probably the same with Dmac, if they are going to give Havili gametime it would probably be better with the "top" team rather than throwing him in with a weaker team around him. However im not sure i see the point in playing Havili. He is well down the pecking order. If he is taken on the eoyt that is probably the time for him to debut.
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@pukunui said in Two squads for the away legs:
Why rest Coles? He has had about 3 games in 6 months.
I suspect it is partly with an eye to the EOYT, and partly to keep development of Codie Taylor.
These coaches have a good habit of causing players to improve dramatically after spending time in the environment. That's the real sign of good coaching.
Edit: examples are Dane Coles and more recently Ofa T. I suppose you can put Liam Squire in there, along with a bit of Malaki Fekitoa.
Counterexamples: Julian Savea
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@nzzp said in Two squads for the away legs:
@pukunui said in Two squads for the away legs:
Why rest Coles? He has had about 3 games in 6 months.
I suspect it is partly with an eye to the EOYT, and partly to keep development of Codie Taylor.
These coaches have a good habit of causing players to improve dramatically after spending time in the environment. That's the real sign of good coaching.
Edit: examples are Dane Coles and more recently Ofa T. I suppose you can put Liam Squire in there, along with a bit of Malaki Fekitoa.
Counterexamples: Julian Savea
But he is still travelling to Argentina. My point was questioning the liklihood of them taking him there then having Taylor start with Harris on the bench. If they were saving him for the eoyt surely he would be in the group that isn't traveling to Argentina.
If anything its Taylor who needs a rest given his workload for the Crusaders and ABs this year.
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@reprobate said in Two squads for the away legs:
@nzzp fekitoa i reckon joseph and whoever else at the highlanders - that was where his big improvement came. not so much at AB level, and not so much after the coaching set-up down south changed.
yeah, that's why I said 'a bit' of Fekitoa. His big improvement came when Auckland dropped him - he said that himself, his attitude was rubbish until he got dropped and headed south.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Two squads for the away legs:
@mimic said in Two squads for the away legs:
The squad to travel to Argentina is:
Forwards: Wyatt Crockett, Kane Hames, Nepo Laulala, Jeffery Toomaga Allen, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, Scott Barrett, Luke Romano, Patrick Tuipulotu, Vaea Fifita, Jerome Kaino, Kieran Read (captain), Ardie Savea and Matt Todd.Backs: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Lima Sopoaga, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Sonny Bill Williams, Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Damian McKenzie, Nehe Milner-Skudder and Waisake Naholo
An interesting juggling act here. Don't want to disrupt the team too much on an away leg, but need to rest a few for the final match. I think they'll go with
Hames, Taylor, Ofa, Romano, Barrett, Kaino, Savea, Read, Perenara, Sopoaga, Ioane, Laumape, ALB, Naholo, Havili
Harris, Crockett, JTA, Fifita, Todd, TKB, DMac, SBW
I think a fair bit different, for this one....
Hames, Coles, Laulala, Barrett, Romano, Kaino, Todd, Read, Perenara, Sopoaga, SBW, Lienert-Brown, Ioane, NMS, McKenzie
Crockett, Taylor, Ofa, Tuipolotou, Fifita, TKB, Laumape, Havili
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@mimic said in Two squads for the away legs:
The squad to travel to Argentina is:
Forwards: Wyatt Crockett, Kane Hames, Nepo Laulala, Jeffery Toomaga Allen, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, Scott Barrett, Luke Romano, Patrick Tuipulotu, Vaea Fifita, Jerome Kaino, Kieran Read (captain), Ardie Savea and Matt Todd.Backs: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Lima Sopoaga, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Sonny Bill Williams, Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Damian McKenzie, Nehe Milner-Skudder and Waisake Naholo
So what will be the squad to travel to SA ?
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@Mojomania said in Two squads for the away legs:
@nzzp Speaking of improvement, interesting to see Patrick Tuipulotu added to the squad given Auckland's poor form.
Tuipulotu has been consistently Auckland's best player i'd say. Big improvement from his Super Rugby form. Auckland's problems aren't on him.
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Not sure why Liam Napier wrote in that article that there will be two separate squads. The All Blacks announcement of the squad for the test in Argentina (posted in the Pumas v All Blacks thread), doesn't say that at all. It's just a travelling squad for Argentina that doesn't include 6 important players. Some of the squad going to Argentina will travel home after the Pumas test, while the rest joins the 6 in SA.
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@pukunui said in Two squads for the away legs:
@nzzp said in Two squads for the away legs:
@pukunui said in Two squads for the away legs:
Why rest Coles? He has had about 3 games in 6 months.
I suspect it is partly with an eye to the EOYT, and partly to keep development of Codie Taylor.
These coaches have a good habit of causing players to improve dramatically after spending time in the environment. That's the real sign of good coaching.
Edit: examples are Dane Coles and more recently Ofa T. I suppose you can put Liam Squire in there, along with a bit of Malaki Fekitoa.
Counterexamples: Julian Savea
But he is still travelling to Argentina. My point was questioning the liklihood of them taking him there then having Taylor start with Harris on the bench. If they were saving him for the eoyt surely he would be in the group that isn't traveling to Argentina.
If anything its Taylor who needs a rest given his workload for the Crusaders and ABs this year.
Coles is travelling because they need to travel with 3 hookers because it's a specialised position.
Coles to start vs the Boks in Saffaland
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@Chris-B. said in Two squads for the away legs:
@ACT-Crusader said in Two squads for the away legs:
@mimic said in Two squads for the away legs:
The squad to travel to Argentina is:
Forwards: Wyatt Crockett, Kane Hames, Nepo Laulala, Jeffery Toomaga Allen, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Nathan Harris, Scott Barrett, Luke Romano, Patrick Tuipulotu, Vaea Fifita, Jerome Kaino, Kieran Read (captain), Ardie Savea and Matt Todd.Backs: Tawera Kerr-Barlow, TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Lima Sopoaga, Anton Lienert-Brown, Ngani Laumape, Sonny Bill Williams, Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Damian McKenzie, Nehe Milner-Skudder and Waisake Naholo
An interesting juggling act here. Don't want to disrupt the team too much on an away leg, but need to rest a few for the final match. I think they'll go with
Hames, Taylor, Ofa, Romano, Barrett, Kaino, Savea, Read, Perenara, Sopoaga, Ioane, Laumape, ALB, Naholo, Havili
Harris, Crockett, JTA, Fifita, Todd, TKB, DMac, SBW
I think a fair bit different, for this one....
Hames, Coles, Laulala, Barrett, Romano, Kaino, Todd, Read, Perenara, Sopoaga, SBW, Lienert-Brown, Ioane, NMS, McKenzie
Crockett, Taylor, Ofa, Tuipolotou, Fifita, TKB, Laumape, Havili
Early doors, and injury may make some decisions.
They may go with Chiefs front row to make things easier to gel against Pumas scrum. Taylor needs some rest so Coles on bench. Taking JTA all that way suggests he'll get some gametime. I imagine they'll want Fifita to get a run, so perhaps Savea also has a breather.
In backs, great to see Lima start. Would like to see SBW and ALB run on, to see combo. Rest for Nugget. TKB bench. Laumape a chance to start, but in 23. Rieko gets spell, to give Naholo his run. And I'm guessing Havilli may get a start, although that might be a change too far.
Hames, Harris, Laulala, Barrett, Romano, Kaino, Todd, Read, Perenara, Sopoaga, SBW, Lienert-Brown, Naholo, NMS, McKenzie
Crockett, Coles, JTA, Tuipolotou, Fifita, TKB, Laumape, Havili
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I don't think that the decisions on which players rest is to do with amount of games played, it is more likely based on which players that the most physical wear and tear and would otherwise need a break on the EOYT.
In the last couple of seasons we have done (or had to do) the player management during the EOYT after players have had to do the arduous travel. I think it is a good option to do it beforehand.
I can certainly imagine that the likes of SW and BBBR suffer the most having to play/fly/play/fly/play/fly circling the globe.
