All Black Squad for Rugby Championship
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@nzzp said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Crash said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@taniwharugby said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@booboo the path back from the NH is a well worn and one that doesn't often lead back to the ABs.
Yep he'll be unrecognizable if he comes back - fat and lazy as fuck and expecting the forwards to do all the work.
Jerome came back from Japan.
you never know - modern NH rugby pitches aren't what they used to be. Piutau could do it... unlikely, but possible
Jerome refreshed his body while in Japan. Piatau is playing for a crap team with a donkey coach. He's been placed on the wing because he created too many chances in the midfield none of his teammates could capitalise on so he'd end up losing the ball. Now he looks like Piri has been his trainer.
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@Frye said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
Against the Aussies I reckon we go with
15 Dagg
14 Naholo
11 Ioane / SaveaAgainst the Boks I'd prefer the Jordie and Dagg back division.
Dagg at fullback isn't going to happen. It was a retrograde step in the 2nd test and they admitted as much by moving him back to the wing in the 3rd test. When Dagg was a fullback he missed out the RWC squad. He never regained his fullback form, he just became a solid option on the right wing.
Dagg is extremely lucky that Ben Smith is having a sabbatical otherwise he could have found himself back playing ITM cup.
Dagg missed out on the RWC because he had been injured for a long time and couldn't get back to full fitness in time. It had nothing to do with the position he was playing. He was selected last year based on his excellent form at fullback during the 2016 Super Rugby season (he didn't play on the wing for the Crusaders last year). Because the AB coaches wanted to play both him and Bender, he ended up on the wing and proved to be outstanding in that position. That has considerably improved his versatility and hence his chances for further AB selection.
So even if Bender had been in the squad for the RC, Dagg would definitely have been in the team, regardless of whether he's playing fullback or wing.
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It took them a long time, but World Rugby has finally published the decision from the independent disciplinary committee relating to Sonny Bill Williams' red card against the British and Irish Lions and subsequent four-week suspension.
Since the hearing on 2 July, the disciplinary committee has been receiving and reviewing additional submissions and evidence from the player’s side relating to his upcoming schedule of matches. Following due consideration, the disciplinary committee has ruled that Williams’ suspension will extend up to and including 19 August. As such, he is free to play again from 20 August.The first Bledisloe Cup match is on Saturday, 19 August, so SBW will miss that test.
The Player was suspended for four weeks. One week equates to one match and all rugby matches are treated equally provided they are meaningful and have a meaningful playing consequence for the player.Games they counted: the 3rd match v B&I Lions, the last Blues game v Sunwolves, the preseason game Counties Manukau v North Harbour and the first Bledisloe Cup match.
The games they didn't count: the preseason game Counties Manukau "A" v Counties Manukau "B" and the All Blacks game of two halves (v Taranaki and Counties Manukau).
Full decision from disciplinary committee – Sonny Bill Williams
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@Stargazer I don't have a problem with that logic.
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@antipodean Neither do I, although I find it hard to believe he would have played for Counties in those preseason games.
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@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Frye said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
Against the Aussies I reckon we go with
15 Dagg
14 Naholo
11 Ioane / SaveaAgainst the Boks I'd prefer the Jordie and Dagg back division.
Dagg at fullback isn't going to happen. It was a retrograde step in the 2nd test and they admitted as much by moving him back to the wing in the 3rd test. When Dagg was a fullback he missed out the RWC squad. He never regained his fullback form, he just became a solid option on the right wing.
Dagg is extremely lucky that Ben Smith is having a sabbatical otherwise he could have found himself back playing ITM cup.
Dagg missed out on the RWC because he had been injured for a long time and couldn't get back to full fitness in time. It had nothing to do with the position he was playing. He was selected last year based on his excellent form at fullback during the 2016 Super Rugby season (he didn't play on the wing for the Crusaders last year). Because the AB coaches wanted to play both him and Bender, he ended up on the wing and proved to be outstanding in that position. That has considerably improved his versatility and hence his chances for further AB selection.
So even if Bender had been in the squad for the RC, Dagg would definitely have been in the team, regardless of whether he's playing fullback or wing.
Oh yeah the coaching staff rated Dagg so highly they took two rookies to the World Cup instead, one of them who had a broken leg.
He hasn't played well at fullback in black in probably three or four years. And while he is doing an adequate job of the "safe" winger he is a place holder at best. I'd honestly pick Goodhue on the wing ahead of him.
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@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
The games they didn't count: the preseason game Counties Manukau "A" v Counties Manukau "B" and the All Blacks game of two halves (v Taranaki and Counties Manukau).
Full decision from disciplinary committee – Sonny Bill Williams
It's hard to shed a tear for SBW after his stupidity, but this logic is ridiculous. If SBW was under contract to North Harbour for example he would miss in the same time frame, all of which would count:
- BIL 3rd test.
- Blues vs Sunwolves.
- Harbour vs Counties Trial 29th July
- Harbour vs Northland Trial 4th August
- Harbour vs Northland Trial 10th August
- Harbour vs Otago Round 1 17th August
- Bledisloe I - 20th August.
He would be free and clear comfortably with a couple of conditioning runs under his belt.
Also worth noting that he misses both the Counties Round 1 fixture at 7:30 NZT and the Bledisloe at 9:30 NZT that day. There is a strong argument that he is being double penalized there - because if he was scrubbed out for the Bledisloe and Counties were playing on the Sunday instead he would likely play that game.
I hope NZ appeal this, they would have a strong case. No matter how you count the games he should be free to play following the conclusion of the Counties round 1 fixture which would end about 20 minutes before the test starts.
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@mariner4life said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
Get Nanai in
I am a great fan of Nanai but I think Havili has more chances than him to be named in the squad. He's had Dagg set on the right wing for the quarter and semi-finals.
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Judiciary are a joke! Yes it is the right decision, but how they got there is wrong.
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@rotated said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
The games they didn't count: the preseason game Counties Manukau "A" v Counties Manukau "B" and the All Blacks game of two halves (v Taranaki and Counties Manukau).
Full decision from disciplinary committee – Sonny Bill Williams
It's hard to shed a tear for SBW after his stupidity, but this logic is ridiculous. If SBW was under contract to North Harbour for example he would miss in the same time frame, all of which would count:
- BIL 3rd test.
- Blues vs Sunwolves.
- Harbour vs Counties Trial 29th July
- Harbour vs Northland Trial 4th August
- Harbour vs Northland Trial 10th August
- Harbour vs Otago Round 1 17th August
- Bledisloe I - 20th August.
He would be free and clear comfortably with a couple of conditioning runs under his belt.
Also worth noting that he misses both the Counties Round 1 fixture at 7:30 NZT and the Bledisloe at 9:30 NZT that day. There is a strong argument that he is being double penalized there - because if he was scrubbed out for the Bledisloe and Counties were playing on the Sunday instead he would likely play that game.
I hope NZ appeal this, they would have a strong case. No matter how you count the games he should be free to play following the conclusion of the Counties round 1 fixture which would end about 20 minutes before the test starts.
Nonsense. It's very clear he would never play two matches on the same day, so they could never count both the Counties Round 1 game and the Bledisloe I test if they are played on the same day. If you had read the decision, you'd have known that the Judicial Committee asked for SBW's upcoming playing Schedule and the Schedule provided didn't include any other games than the one's mentioned in my earlier post.
If those games had been on the Sunday, his suspension would end after the Sunday.
Also, preseason games count, but pure trial matches don't. See paragraphs 31-32 of the decision, esp as to what is considered a meaningful match with meaningful consequences for a player. That excludes several of the Harbour games that you listed.
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The rules need to be changed. Any suspension needs to apply at the same level the offence occurred (or above). Get rid off all this bullshit club game nonsense, and ensure there are some real consequences
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@Stockcar86 I have no problem with that Blues game counting for the suspension, but preseason games of Mitre 10 Cup teams are indeed ridiculous.
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@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Stockcar86 I have no problem with that Blues game counting for the suspension, but preseason games of Mitre 10 Cup teams are indeed ridiculous.
It certainly doesn't help that you don't like the guy either aye! I mean if it was anyone else, fair go, but ole SBW....
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@Stargazer said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
@Hooroo I have no problems with SBW as a player. Where did you get that silly idea? I just don't think he's as good as some of the fanboys are saying.
Solid point! Start a thread on that maybe?
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I think any game considered 1st class rugby should count. Differing levels makes it confusing. Lets say you get suspended in a Super Rugby match and as per Stockcar's idea, it removes you from all matches at the same level and higher, but not below? You can play NPC. That just seems weird. 1st class is a good cutoff as it removes club games from counting.
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@Nepia said in All Black Squad for Rugby Championship:
I think any game considered 1st class rugby should count. Differing levels makes it confusing. Lets say you get suspended in a Super Rugby match and as per Stockcar's idea, it removes you from all matches at the same level and higher, but not below? You can play NPC. That just seems weird. 1st class is a good cutoff as it removes club games from counting.
Or they just set a date when you can play again. Makes it much clearer.
