All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3
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It's a bit like this series is starting again with history having less relevance now.
The old "you're only as good as your last game" mantra evens the odds up massively.
So difficult to appraise and analyse the AB performance with that huge 25 minute elephant standing in the corner. But for the first 25 minutes we didn't play well either, as Read was quick to point out
This game has got a 50/50 feel to it now (emotion can be more fun than logic) and it'll be a week of genuine anticipation which is a grand thing. I often tell AFL supporters that All Black games and their lead up are like grand finals every week - this one certainly is.
Fekitoa gets a phone call? Na
Charlie Ngatai fit?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Another option is Julian Savea at 11 (with Dagg at 14 and Jordie at 15) and name Rieko on the bench to cover wing and midfield (starting Laumape-ALB). IMO, with so many rookies, there's something to say for Jules' experience and starting him. But I am really, really hoping Crotty will be okay for test 3.
I did have that as an option SG.
And you're right. Not many caps in a Laumape-ALB-Ioane-JB option.
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Problem for crotty is the unpredictability of hamstring injuries, it can feel 100 percent , then bang
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Posted in the wrong thread, so brought this across.
OK, 12 hours on, and I'm now sobering up.
That was a great Lions effort. I think that their 8 matched (and bettered) ours for the first 25, and after that we were always only looking for parity. I think the taking off Kaino thing is a very, Cane and Reado can do a Richie and keep them out. I like the attitude that all the rest of the 8 can lift anothre 20%. They did too, but we needed 8 men doing that to match the lIons last night.
Our defence in the last 20 went to pieces, but I can understand much of that with tired legs.
Here's the thing, pretty much every time we attacked them with a back hitting it up 2-5 metres around the ruck, we made ground, and they either got offside or otherwise infringed. Had we made our kicks we would have won anyway, and if we had stuck with that plan and trusted it, I think we would have broken them down again. So, I'm actually pretty confident about our strategy. Right now, we have problems with execution.
I won't rehash the SBW thing again, but I'd drop him. I think Laumape showed enough last night to be the 12 to get this strategy over the line. If Crotty is fit, then I'd start him and bring ALB off the bench (mainly because I don't know how long Crotty would last). If not, then ALB to start and Goodhue to the bench.
I think we have to discuss the type of kicks Barrett missed last night. By the stats, it's not a terrible performance, but every other team has a kicker who would have probably gone 100% of those last night. It's been known for a while that he struggles, and last night it was a clear factor contributing to the loss. Do we address it? How? We are still poor under the high ball - they picked Joride, which should mean that he is ready. In that case, they should play him (I'm not sure he is ready, but they picked him). With him at 15, Dagg and 14, and a power wing at 11, we look much better and should be able to a) nail the catching, and b) improve goal kicking. Even if he is only there are a back up, it's worth considering. However, it's probably not a long term solution, as he doesn't look a natural 15. So, either way, we need Barrett to improve his goal kicking.
My changes: None up front, Crotty in at 13 with ALB to the bench and Laumape starting (SBW LTFO), 50/50 on Sopoaga in (Cruden out), Jordie to 15 and kicks goals (assuming Naholo isn't playing).
Shag really really needs to talk with the refs about off side, and Read needs to a) tell TJP to STFU and b) quietly and consistently remind the ref about the lost opportunities from Lions offsides.
Lastly, I guess they will start SBW - assuming he doesn't get a week off. However, I hope he just focuses on being accurate. Strong and accurate, and play within the laws. That's all we've ever needed from him since Nonu left, but he just can't fucking get it done.
@akan004 I don't think we need to be more adventurous - actually less. We seemed to lose trust in our ability o punch through them, which - with 15 on the park, we can do.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Another option is Julian Savea at 11 (with Dagg at 14 and Jordie at 15) and name Rieko on the bench to cover wing and midfield (starting Laumape-ALB). IMO, with so many rookies, there's something to say for Jules' experience and starting him. But I am really, really hoping Crotty will be okay for test 3.
I did have that as an option SG.
And you're right. Not many caps in a Laumape-ALB-Ioane-JB option.
That's really the selector's fault though - they specifically said 'they're ready' so they should be. They replaced Smith with McKenzie, so even when they have the option of replacing guys with experienced people, they haven't. It's a dangerous strategy, but they should trust it. It fucks me off if they select a guy in the squad but don't pay him because he's inexperienced. In that case, don't fucking pick him for a Lions series.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Lastly, I guess they will start SBW - assuming he doesn't get a week off. However, I hope he just focuses on being accurate. Strong and accurate, and play within the laws. That's all we've ever needed from him since Nonu left, but he just can't fucking get it done.
To be fair, that's only his third game since Nonu left and he went alright against Samoa and in the first Lions test.
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I guess what we have learnt form the past, is the ABs tend to respond pretty well after a loss, especially as there will be alot of finger pointing and angst this week, around SBW, the decision to take Kaino off, decisions by BB & Cruden.
Also, I saw a graphic pop up on screen last night, and worked out Lions were due a win (think it meant they have won 1/5 consistantly against us) knew I should bet on them when we were up by 6...
@kiwiinmelb interesting, not sure it warrants any sanction, but I guess consistancy is what we are after right?
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I'm pretty surprised O'Brien has been cited for that, it was pretty innocuous. Can't see a suspension in it.
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One of the reasons the ABs never got much continuity (and zero tries) was the ridiculous number of infringements by the Lions. It felt like every time the ABs had possession in the Lions half, then there would be a penalty. And a man down and in those conditions, you have to take your penalties. And they were all kickable yet BB missed a couple of sitters. 10 kickable penalties in all - when you see a number like that, you wonder how the Lions were never on a team warning for repeated offences - especially as the offside line seemed to disappear completely at times.
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Still mulling over my side to conquer all, but some initial changes:
- Sopoaga in for Cruden on the bench, who played like he'd mentally already left NZ
- Would go with Leaumape at 12 and ALB at 13 on the assumption that Crotty won't make it.
- Back three, with Naholo fit I'd probably stick with the same, but would toy with the idea of 11. Dagg, 14. Naholo, and 15 J Barrett, or 11 Savea, 14 Naholo, 15 Dagg... for some reason it feels like some experience out there might be good, even though Ioane is probably playing better at the moment. J Barrett's defence gets questioned in the last line, but for some reason Izzy doesn't...
- I have a vague inkling that one position needs to change in the starting tight five, but would want to sift through stats before making any changes. Possibly Moody for Crockett. Could be completely unwarranted, but I have a feeling in 2 games out of three some of the starting Crusaders tight five have been outplayed on this tour.
Undoubtedly I'll change m mind several times before Thursday too...
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Right, so unavailable are B Smith, SBW and Crotty is a maybe. Naholo sounds like he's Ok. No problem with options on the wings: it's a matter of who's going to make up the midfield, play fullback, and the back replacements.
I'd certainly start Crotty is he's fit or near enough, at 12 with ALB outside him. This was the first choice midfield last year. ALB was our best back last night, and Crotty is Mr Steady.
Picking J Barrett would have a little of the panic button about it, but still may be the correct move, with Dagg going back to the wing. A choice would need to be made between Naholo and Ioane, unless they simple choose not to risk Naholo.
I can't recall having to select a guy for his goalkicking since the dark days of Matt Cooper in 1993 and Shane Howarth in 1994, so the whole concept makes me feel a little ill, but that aside, it might be time to give Barrett his shot anyway.
So for mine, it's Smith, Barrett, Crotty, ALB, Ioane, Dagg and Barrett with TJP, Cruden and I'd like to see them bring Fekitoa in and onto the bench.
Forwards stay the same. They'll be grumpy.
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@shark said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Right, so unavailable are B Smith, SBW and Crotty is a maybe. Naholo sounds like he's Ok. No problem with options on the wings: it's a matter of who's going to make up the midfield, play fullback, and the back replacements.
I'd certainly start Crotty is he's fit or near enough, at 12 with ALB outside him. This was the first choice midfield last year. ALB was our best back last night, and Crotty is Mr Steady.
Picking J Barrett would have a little of the panic button about it, but still may be the correct move, with Dagg going back to the wing. A choice would need to be made between Naholo and Ioane, unless they simple choose not to risk Naholo.
I can't recall having to select a guy for his goalkicking since the dark days of Matt Cooper in 1993 and Shane Howarth in 1994, so the whole concept makes me feel a little ill, but that aside, it might be time to give Barrett his shot anyway.
So for mine, it's Smith, Barrett, Crotty, ALB, Ioane, Dagg and Barrett with TJP, Cruden and I'd like to see them bring Fekitoa in and onto the bench.
Forwards stay the same. They'll be grumpy.
Leon MacDonald at centre was mostly for his goal kicking at the 2003 rwc . Awful, we all knew Barrett's kicking woes would haunt us one day.
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@jegga said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
@shark said in All Blacks v BI Lions Test #3:
Right, so unavailable are B Smith, SBW and Crotty is a maybe. Naholo sounds like he's Ok. No problem with options on the wings: it's a matter of who's going to make up the midfield, play fullback, and the back replacements.
I'd certainly start Crotty is he's fit or near enough, at 12 with ALB outside him. This was the first choice midfield last year. ALB was our best back last night, and Crotty is Mr Steady.
Picking J Barrett would have a little of the panic button about it, but still may be the correct move, with Dagg going back to the wing. A choice would need to be made between Naholo and Ioane, unless they simple choose not to risk Naholo.
I can't recall having to select a guy for his goalkicking since the dark days of Matt Cooper in 1993 and Shane Howarth in 1994, so the whole concept makes me feel a little ill, but that aside, it might be time to give Barrett his shot anyway.
So for mine, it's Smith, Barrett, Crotty, ALB, Ioane, Dagg and Barrett with TJP, Cruden and I'd like to see them bring Fekitoa in and onto the bench.
Forwards stay the same. They'll be grumpy.
Leon MacDonald at centre was mostly for his goal kicking at the 2003 rwc . Awful, we all knew Barrett's kicking woes would haunt us one day.
It would be interesting to compare the weather for the various kicks by BB and OF. My recollection is that it was pretty foul for most of BB's ten efforts, but cleared for OF's last three.
BB's seven penalties is one more than D B Clarke managed in the famous 1959 18-17 Lions win.
