Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?

@Bones said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:

@Snowy if your approach to kick includes steps in the opposite direction, then you're fair game.

Depends what you consider the kickers approach to kick. Cruden does a little shake before he kicks the ball, is that part of his approach to kick?

No. IMO it's like (what used to be ) Dan Biggar's pre kick dance.

Bones

@Snowy said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:

@Bones said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:

I'm struggling to make sense of this...

You're struggling to understand the word "approach".

Au contraire, it seems I'm not, as is shown every rugby game. Maybe you're struggling to understand the interpretation... surely you haven't only just started watching?

ACT Crusader

@Snowy said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:

This is lack of enforcement is not a change but really pissing me off.

9.B.4 The opposing team
(a)
All players of the opposing team must retire to their goal line and must not overstep that line until the kicker begins the approach to kick or starts to kick. When the kicker does this, they may charge or jump to prevent a goal but must ...

The key bit being "kicker begins the approach to kick or starts to kick." It seems that moving backwards qualifies as approaching or starting these days?

Watching the U20 match and England charging way too early. Perofeta moves away from the ball and they go at him.
IMO Owens got it right v Ireland in 2014 when Cruden had a second shot.

Interesting that the law says "the kicker begins the approach". One could interpret "the approach" with the noun definition.

"a way of dealing with a situation or problem."

Someone takes a step to the side or back, in their kick routine could be seen to be starting their approach.

I don't mind how it is dealt with by and large these days.

Crucial

@ACT-Crusader said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:

@Snowy said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:

This is lack of enforcement is not a change but really pissing me off.

9.B.4 The opposing team
(a)
All players of the opposing team must retire to their goal line and must not overstep that line until the kicker begins the approach to kick or starts to kick. When the kicker does this, they may charge or jump to prevent a goal but must ...

The key bit being "kicker begins the approach to kick or starts to kick." It seems that moving backwards qualifies as approaching or starting these days?

Watching the U20 match and England charging way too early. Perofeta moves away from the ball and they go at him.
IMO Owens got it right v Ireland in 2014 when Cruden had a second shot.

Interesting that the law says "the kicker begins the approach". One could interpret "the approach" with the noun definition.

"a way of dealing with a situation or problem."

Someone takes a step to the side or back, in their kick routine could be seen to be starting their approach.

I don't mind how it is dealt with by and large these days.

The ref usually judges it as starting whatever movement that doesn't stop until boot meets ball. If you line up the kick then place a foot behind as you go to kick then you are fair game. While you are placing your feet before lining up the kick, you aren't.
Most kickers work out their own routine while young and if it works they stick with it. This can mean they can risk charge downs as the level gets higher.
A way to avoid the backward step is to line up with a foot already back ala Quade Cooper. His technique may look strange but it is quite practical. You want to have the hip of your kicking foot come over the ball with the hips and shoulders facing the posts.

Bones

@Crucial possibly worded better than my ham fisted attempts.

Snowy

So you guys reckon it is a change of interpretation since 2014? Or did Owens get it wrong and it should have been a draw with Ireland?

Bones

@Snowy Ireland charged before he started his approach.

Snowy

@Bones Back to the definition of approach then...getting a bit circular this. I thought that he had moved - away from the ball , but moved nonetheless?

Snowy

@Bones Your right. Just found it. He hadn't moved.

Bones

@Snowy that's not possible. I'm on drugs.

Bones

@Snowy oh and...about that "struggling to understand the meaning of advance".... what now?

Snowy

@Bones said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:

@Snowy oh and...about that "struggling to understand the meaning of advance".... what now?

It's "approach". It's in the laws and it still pisses me off when a kicker moves away from the ball and the oppo charge. O.K?

Bones

@Snowy it pisses me off when other teams score more than mine but that doesn't make it wrong!

taniwharugby

@Bones no that was in relation to you walking past your entrance to approach it (another poorly worded one?)

Bones

@taniwharugby said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:

@Bones no that was in relation to you walking past your entrance to approach it (another poorly worded one?)

Nope, just poorly understood. Let's say your front door is on the middle of the front of your house. You have a driveway down the side and a fence in front. If you walk to where your driveway is on entering the property, you've walked away from your front door. Pretty simple stuff.

The Silver Fern

Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?