2017 School Rugby
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@Nepia said in 2017 School Rugby:
@Rapido said in 2017 School Rugby:
That's really quite sad.
Need to form a Super 1 comp now instead?
Hamilton Boys look like they'll be decent competition.
A Super 2 then. Yay.
The Super 8 has come into being because those big fish provincial schools are too big for their local comps.
Where do we go now?
I realise I'm hating on excellence. But geez, that's worrying. They pumped St Pats as well from the Wellington comp so the answer isn't there.
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@Rapido said in 2017 School Rugby:
@Nepia said in 2017 School Rugby:
@Rapido said in 2017 School Rugby:
That's really quite sad.
Need to form a Super 1 comp now instead?
Hamilton Boys look like they'll be decent competition.
A Super 2 then. Yay.
The Super 8 has come into being because those big fish provincial schools are too big for their local comps.
Where do we go now?
I realise I'm hating on excellence. But geez, that's worrying. They pumped St Pats as well from the Wellington comp so the answer isn't there.
These things happen occasionally, one team in Super 8 will go on a roll and then it will pull back.
Hastings have been posting some pretty crazy scores in the last two years though.
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That Hastings team features eight Year 14s (that's Form 8 under the old terminology) so their success this year should be taken with a grain of salt.
When they played (and smoked) MAGS in pre-season the MAGS coach looked at Hasting's team sheet before the game and remarked that it was an identical team to that which they beat in the National Final the year before.
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Looks like super 8 is falling into a pattern that happens in the Auckland comp.. generally it's about 6-7 schools who have a genuine shot of making the top 4.. rest try to avoid relegation matches..
There's a cycle usually though.. however since the tv broadcasting St Kent's is a regular in playoffs.. they used to be rubbish
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@mimic Yeah St Kents were quite strong in the late 90s and early 00s making a few Auckland finals and winning one (they had the likes of Lavea twins, Rokocoko, Afoas, Kaino) then they really regressed and actually got demoted into the 2nd tier. Then there was a huge focus/$ put into their rugby program and have had some pretty sustained success (and now coached by one of the Lavea twins, whilst the other coaches Kings).
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@Wurzel said in 2017 School Rugby:
That Hastings team features eight Year 14s (that's Form 8 under the old terminology) so their success this year should be taken with a grain of salt.
When they played (and smoked) MAGS in pre-season the MAGS coach looked at Hasting's team sheet before the game and remarked that it was an identical team to that which they beat in the National Final the year before.
It's true that there are several Year 14s in the Hastings BHS squad, however, most of them have all played a year up last year. Only one or two of those Year 14s become 19 this year, all the others are just 17 year-olds turning 18 this year.
I've seen a lot of comments in social media dismissing the success of Hastings as cheating within the rules or playing with players that turn 19 this year, but that's just sour grapes. The fact is that, while they have the advantage of playing in a group that hasn't changed much since last year, they are not playing with a group of players that is older than those of other teams. They also have one or two 16 year olds in the team by the way.
I have also seen accusations of Hastings poaching players from outside the region with scholarships, clearly showing that they know nothing about the school. It's a low decile that can't afford scholarships and almost all off these players are home grown. Before anyone mentions him, Kini Naholo started school in Hastings last year and his school fees etc are paid for by Waisake. I don't know how and why he ended up there (another brother plays in Taranaki), but Waisake moved to NZ to live with their uncle in Wanganui, who wanted him to get a proper education in NZ and his brothers have followed his move.
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@KiwiMurph Yeah.. they put a lot of money into their scholarships..
I think their first xv is the only good team they have.. schools like mags, Auckland grammar, sacred heart and de la salle generally have strong teams coming up the age groups -
@Stargazer Suggesting Hastings poach from outside the region is laughable, Hastings actually loses a bunch of players to scholarships etc every year (Lindersfarne pick off at least one standout most years).
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Results weekend 24-25 June (copied from FB):
Auckland
#1 - Dilworth School 9 v Auckland Grammar 34
#2 - Kelston Boys' High School 11 v De La Salle College 11
#3 - King's College 8 v St Peters 13
#4 - MAGS 19 v Aorere 15
#5 - Tamaki College 5 v St Kent's 36
#6 - Sacred Heart 80 v Liston College 0Rainbows End Counties Manukau and Waikato 1st XV (Premier)
St Johns College 71 Rosehill College 0
Pukekohe HS 11 Manurewa HS 12
Alfriston College 7 Cambridge HS 41
James Cook HS 7 Te Awamutu College 35North Harbour
#1 - Rosmini College 65 v Orewa College 5
#2 - Westlake BHS 78 v Whangarei BHS 0
#3 - Massey HS 3 v Takapuna GS 21
#4 - Birkenhead 10 v Rangitoto 31Central NI
Wesley 60 v Te Aute 0
St Paul's Collegiate 59 v Rathkeale 7
St Peter's 43 v St John's 7
Francis Douglas 28 v Lindisfarne 10
Feilding HS 22 v Wanganui Collegiate 0Super 8
Palmerston North BHS 19 v New Plymouth BHS 12 (Wednesday)
Hastings BHS 70 v Gisborne BHS 0
Tauranga BC 34 v Napier BHS 26
Hamilton BHS 34 v Rotorua BHS 7Wellington
#1 - Porirua College 31 v Wairarapa College 24
#2 - Tawa College 0 v Silverstream 57
#3 - Rongotai 43 v HVHS 0
#4 - St. Pat's Town 46 v Kapiti College 0
#5 - Well College 13 v Scots 14UC Championship
#1 - Christchurch BHS 13 v Nelson College 11
#2 - Roncalli College 7 v Shirley Boys' High School 47
#3 - Marlborough BC 7 v Timaru Boys' High School 22
#4 - Burnside High School 12 v Christ's College 43
#5 - Waimea Combined 22 v Lincoln High School 20
#6 - Rangiora High School 21 v St Bede's 7
#7 - St Andrew's College 57 v Ashburton College 15Otago
King's HS 34 v South Otago 17
Otago BHS (2) 22 v Waitaki BHS 0
Dunstan 43 v St Kevin's 25
Taieri 52 v Kavanagh 25 -
The Auckland comp very tight as usual. Lack of bonus points could cost St Peters despite having most wins so far.
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St Bede's losing to Goon is a shocker.
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@shark said in 2017 School Rugby:
St Bede's losing to Goon is a shocker.
not a great season for Bedes, they also lost to St Thomas a couple of weeks back.
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@African-Monkey said in 2017 School Rugby:
The Auckland comp very tight as usual. Lack of bonus points could cost St Peters despite having most wins so far.
Yup, St Peter's and De La Salle suffering with the lack of bonus points.
St Peter's defence is amazing though.. Still surprised that they lost to Grammar..MAGS and De La Salle are suffering with injuries (each with 5+ players out) though.. The holidays can't come quick enough for them
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Long time lurker first time poster.
Ok im a Northern Hemisphere poster but have spent time in NZ and just thinking through NZ's rugby success and alot of it seems to be down to the 1st iv competition which seems to have grown important than local club rugby it seems.
But how does it work, ok I get that each franchise have their championship i.e. the blues championship is Auckland 1a vs the North Harbour Competition( Whangerei is Northland i suppose)
While the Crusades championship is a league with the top 15 college in the reason.
The other three regions I have no idea.
I know there is an Otago Competition and a Southland competition but it seems that Southland Boys high 1st iv dont even play in the Southland competition?
The Hurricanes competition and the Chiefs competition i dont know how they work, in the Hurricanes I know the wellington comp gets a semifinalist but the super 8 thing, i duno how that works?
Would anyone care to enlighten me on the structure?
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It's complicated.
The Super 8 was formed in 1997 and incorporates the eight boys' high schools from their respective provincial cities of the central North Island.
From north to south that is:
Tauranga
Hamilton
Rotorua
Gisborne
New Plymouth
Napier
Hastings
Palmerston NorthThey play a round robin each year with the top 2 teams meeting in the final. The winner of the Super 8 is not guaranteed to make the top 4 for the nationals though as further games are played to determine the representatives from each region (Blues, Chiefs, Hurricanes and South Island). The Super 8 has 4 teams from the Chiefs region and 4 teams from the Hurricanes region. The latter teams will have to play schools from Wellington to decide the Hurricanes winner.
There is also a Central North Island competition which features 10 other schools not in the Super 8.
In the Chiefs region the winners from each province (Counties, Waikato, BOP and Taranaki) will play in SFs and a final with the winner advancing to the Top 4.
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@jacktothed10 I believe Whangarei Boys High is the only Northland school in the North Harbour comp, and while the experience might be good, they are getting some heavy beatings, but I also know there a lot of talented kids that go to WBHS who have chosen to not play for the 1st 15 and just play 2nds, or play for a club, or a couple of cases, not play at all.
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Results from yesterday, 29 July (copied from FB)
Auckland
King's: 50 v Dilworth: 0
Sacred Heart: 18 v St. Peter's: 14
MAGS: 15 v Kelston: 0
Auckland GS: 17 v St. Kent's: 28
Tamaki: 5 v Liston: 24
Aorere: 17 v De La Salle: 5North Harbour
#1 - Takapuna GS (15) v Rosmini Coll (18)
#2 - Whangarei BHS (7) v Rangitoto (36)
#3 - Orewa Coll (24) v Birkenhead (10)
#4 - Westlake BHS (17) v Massey HS (7)Super 8
Hamilton BHS: 48 v Gisborne BHS: 3
Palmerston North BHS: 16 v Rotorua BHS: 13
Hastings BHS: 64 v Tauranga BC: 0
Napier BHS: 45 v New Plymouth: 22Central North Island
#1 - FDMC 84 v Rathkeale 7
#2 - St Peter's 77 v Te Aute 5
#3 - Wanganui Collegiate 5 v Wesley First XV 54
#4 - Lindisfarne 0 v Feilding HS 53
#5 - St Paul's 73 v St John's Hastings 3Wellington
#1 - Silverstream (42) v St. Pat's Town (5)
#2 - Tawa College 8 v Scots 44
#3 - Kapiti College 22 v Wai Coll 30
#4 - Well Coll 67 v HVHS 3
#5 - Porirua College 10 v Rongotai 33UC Championship
#1 - Ashburton College 31 v Burnside High School 33
#2 - Roncalli College 3 v Nelson College 48
#3 - Marlborough BC 14 v Christchurch BHS 20
#4 - Christ's College 27 v Shirley Boys' High School 22
#5 - Timaru Boys' High School 34 v Waimea Combined 7
#6 - Lincoln High School 21 v Rangiora High School 17
#7 - St Andrew's College 17 v St Thomas' 12Otago
Otago (2) 17 v Waitaki 14
John McGlashan: 15 v South Otago HS: 0
St. Kevin's: 28 v Dunstan: 13
Taieri: 24 v Kavanagh: 20
King's HS: 52 v Mount Aspiring: 5Next weekend, the big clash in the Super 8:
Hamilton BHS v Hastings BHS in Hamilton. The final, a week later (12 August), will be between the same schools, but next weekend's result will determine where that final will be played!
