B&I Lions 2017
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@Margin_Walker said in B&I Lions 2017:
Billy Vunipola out with a shoulder injury. Haskell in.
Pretty much the worst player it was possibleto lose pre tour for the Lions.
That's a real shame. I was really looking forward to see how he fared in NZ.
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Shame. Simplifies the "who to start at 8" debate, though.
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Why Haskell as a replacement? He doesn't play any of the backrow positions well enough.
Barring injury it's pretty obvious that the Lions will have Stander, Warburton and Faletau as their backrow.
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@antipodean said in B&I Lions 2017:
Why Haskell as a replacement? He doesn't play any of the backrow positions well enough.
Barring injury it's pretty obvious that the Lions will have Stander, Warburton and Faletau as their backrow.
He did well enough at openside last year. Grandslam winner, man of the series against Australia, outplayed Pooper and all of his direct Lions competition.
Billy is an enormous loss. I can only imagine that anyone who doesn't rate him hasn't watched him properly for the last couple of years.
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Some interesting NH performances over the weekend.
At the moment if fit
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, North, L Williams
Reality
Webb, Farrell, Nowell, Joseph, J Davies (playing left and right, not inside and outside), North, L Williams
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@SimonAdd_2 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@antipodean said in B&I Lions 2017:
Why Haskell as a replacement? He doesn't play any of the backrow positions well enough.
Barring injury it's pretty obvious that the Lions will have Stander, Warburton and Faletau as their backrow.
He did well enough at openside last year. Grandslam winner, man of the series against Australia, outplayed Pooper and all of his direct Lions competition.
The England pack outplayed Australia. Haskell is, at best, an all-rounder to bring on at the end - not an individual who replaces the injured number 8.
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@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Some interesting NH performances over the weekend.
At the moment if fit
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, North, L Williams
Reality
Webb, Farrell, Nowell, Joseph, J Davies (playing left and right, not inside and outside), North, L Williams
Not sure why you're marking down Murray for his performance against Ospreys. I'd still have him before Webb.
Sexton? I wouldn't even put him on the June tour to Japan/US for his inexcrable performance in the semi. Woeful doesn't come close.
And Farrell at 10 against Exeter didn't fill me with reassurance about him there at test level either.
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@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Some interesting NH performances over the weekend.
At the moment if fit
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, North, L Williams
Reality
Webb, Farrell, Nowell, Joseph, J Davies (playing left and right, not inside and outside), North, L Williams
I never get left and right centres. Is it because they can only pass one way?
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Some interesting NH performances over the weekend.
At the moment if fit
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, North, L Williams
Reality
Webb, Farrell, Nowell, Joseph, J Davies (playing left and right, not inside and outside), North, L Williams
I never get left and right centres. Is it because they can only pass one way?
Is it a bit like "edges" in loigue?
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@booboo said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Some interesting NH performances over the weekend.
At the moment if fit
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, North, L Williams
Reality
Webb, Farrell, Nowell, Joseph, J Davies (playing left and right, not inside and outside), North, L Williams
I never get left and right centres. Is it because they can only pass one way?
Is it a bit like "edges" in loigue?
What does that mean? I dont watch boofball.
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@booboo said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Some interesting NH performances over the weekend.
At the moment if fit
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, North, L Williams
Reality
Webb, Farrell, Nowell, Joseph, J Davies (playing left and right, not inside and outside), North, L Williams
I never get left and right centres. Is it because they can only pass one way?
Is it a bit like "edges" in loigue?
What does that mean? I dont watch boofball.
Don't watch a shit load myself, but they seem to station a mini team on each side of the field for attack.
Usually a centre, a second rower and wing. Maybe a prop.
Instead of calling the sides of the field the sides of the field they call them edges.
I think the distribution of those players is down to said players ability to run, step, pass etc as the play flows a certain way.
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@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
Some interesting NH performances over the weekend.
At the moment if fit
Murray, Sexton, Nowell, Farrell, Joseph, North, L Williams
Reality
Webb, Farrell, Nowell, Joseph, J Davies (playing left and right, not inside and outside), North, L Williams
Not sure why you're marking down Murray for his performance against Ospreys. I'd still have him before Webb.
Sexton? I wouldn't even put him on the June tour to Japan/US for his inexcrable performance in the semi. Woeful doesn't come close.
And Farrell at 10 against Exeter didn't fill me with reassurance about him there at test level either.
Not marking Murray down. He'll be first choice but I don't think he'll last fitnesswise.
Farrell has to go to 10 because Gatland selected Biggar and not Ford
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I'm not sure that'd work in rugby would it? The defensive paterns are so much more set because of the far higher amount of set piece & semi set piece ball that the centres swapping around on sides would be a nightmare. 12 & 13 are hugely different defensive positions in union. Does anyone play left & right? It seems like the sort of thing the Aussies might have tried at some stage...
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@gollum said in B&I Lions 2017:
I'm not sure that'd work in rugby would it? The defensive paterns are so much more set because of the far higher amount of set piece & semi set piece ball that the centres swapping around on sides would be a nightmare. 12 & 13 are hugely different defensive positions in union. Does anyone play left & right? It seems like the sort of thing the Aussies might have tried at some stage...
I recall the convicts using left and right centres some time ago. It was the mention of it above that I queried as I don't think anyone uses it in the modern game. Would be hard work on defence to have to keep changing and on attack you lose having a centre-threequarter to distribute to the outsides.
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@gollum said in B&I Lions 2017:
Yeah, I feel like Dan Herbert used to play left & right, but it seems a terrible idea
That seems about the time I was thinking as well.
I was hoping @MiketheSnow would come back and explain his comment because it has me stumped
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@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@gollum said in B&I Lions 2017:
Yeah, I feel like Dan Herbert used to play left & right, but it seems a terrible idea
That seems about the time I was thinking as well.
I was hoping @MiketheSnow would come back and explain his comment because it has me stumped
Just an idea. Something different to accommodate the personnel and bring something different to the mix.
If Farrell does go to 10 and Te'o has a good lead in then he'll play 12 and Joseph will play 13.
If not, then Gatland will have to accommodate Joseph and J Davies.
J Davies has a good kicking game so could go to 12, but his distribution is average off his left hand.
So left and right could work.
Who knows?
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I think it sort of becomes an option if you have 2 identical centres - eg Teo & Roberts, which is why I think Aussie did it (?) they often just played 2 interchangeable lumps rather than a 2nd five & a centre.
Wouldn't work with Joseph as he's an outside should gas man, you want him at 13 or nowhere. Teo for sure.
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@MiketheSnow said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Crucial said in B&I Lions 2017:
@gollum said in B&I Lions 2017:
Yeah, I feel like Dan Herbert used to play left & right, but it seems a terrible idea
That seems about the time I was thinking as well.
I was hoping @MiketheSnow would come back and explain his comment because it has me stumped
Just an idea. Something different to accommodate the personnel and bring something different to the mix.
If Farrell does go to 10 and Te'o has a good lead in then he'll play 12 and Joseph will play 13.
If not, then Gatland will have to accommodate Joseph and J Davies.
J Davies has a good kicking game so could go to 12, but his distribution is average off his left hand.
So left and right could work.
Who knows?
If his distribution is average off one hand he shouldn't be playing in the centres full stop. (or playing at this level)
It's not difficult to train yourself to pass off both hands FFS.
