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@Siam said in Super Rugby News:
On the Hammett appointment, no room for someone to improve their trade?
I remember when Nonu was dire, he seemed to improve a fair bit.
Similarly Wayne Smith was fucking ordinary early on.
I'm giving ol hammer the benefit of the doubt and will rehash this thread come finals 2018 ( gulp)
Anyway he'll never be as bad as NZ's worst pro coach ever - John Kirwan will wear that albatross for eternity
Fuck off, he's not even the worst Blues coach. Remember Jed Rowlands?
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@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby News:
Chris B seems to be singlehandedly kicking off the Hammettuer thread again.
Hahahahaha - thats some funny reaching you're doing there. So now, Hammettuer and Rennie are the same because they had a similar number of wins one year? Rennie's team won 2 championships and were regular finalists, Hammettuer's team won squat and barely made the finals.
RS is helping me.
No - they're not the same. But, they largely were in 2014.
Which given the popular narrative, which is as I described (Jesus vs Useless) that should never be able to happen.
Nor should the Conrad article, which - if you read it - Conrad is clearly backing Hammer over Nonu. Which is extremely interesting given that Hammer was now gone and Conrad was going to be playing with Ma'a - possibly at the Canes, almost certainly with the ABs.
Nor should Hammer keep getting jobs if the popular narrative is correct. But, he does.
All of which suggests to me that the popular narrative is...well...not quite right.
It's clear now that he's just trolling.
I'll stop feeding.
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Only partially, but it is a rich vein!
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@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby News:
Chris B seems to be singlehandedly kicking off the Hammettuer thread again.
Hahahahaha - thats some funny reaching you're doing there. So now, Hammettuer and Rennie are the same because they had a similar number of wins one year? Rennie's team won 2 championships and were regular finalists, Hammettuer's team won squat and barely made the finals.
> RS is helping me.
No - they're not the same. But, they largely were in 2014.
Which given the popular narrative, which is as I described (Jesus vs Useless) that should never be able to happen.
Nor should the Conrad article, which - if you read it - Conrad is clearly backing Hammer over Nonu. Which is extremely interesting given that Hammer was now gone and Conrad was going to be playing with Ma'a - possibly at the Canes, almost certainly with the ABs.
Nor should Hammer keep getting jobs if the popular narrative is correct. But, he does.
All of which suggests to me that the popular narrative is...well...not quite right.
I'm giving it a nudge as well.
Conrad backed a guy who couldn't get his team to the final (popular and actual narrative), who was overseeing a team when their support fell off a cliff (actual and popular narrative), and who was made captain by that guy. As much as I love Smith - yeah, nah.
Anyway, I need to go back to feeling depressed about HB rugby where two guys with a heap of mana have decided they no longer want to be involved in the organisation.
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Hammett also made an appearance on Generation Kill. Watch from 1:35
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@Rancid-Schnitzel @Chris-B - had five minutes so went back to the Crusaders coach thread - @pukunui and @Wurzel mentioned it (maybe as a joke) but at that time everyone was waaing on about the chance of Schmidt coming home (from reading, I can't see who Chris B's preferred candidate was, but he seemed to prefer someone from inside the organization - even ahead of Schmidt)
In response to a Hammer comment, I can only find these somewhat real comments:
@jegga When is the hammetuer off contract?
@Chris-B Hammer is contracted as Assistant Coach with the Mako$ for the 2016 and 2017 seasons. Don't
know about his Sunwolves' gig, but I reckon he'll be there next yearand:
@Chris-B Hammer is contracted as Assistant Coach with the Mako$ for the 2016 and 2017 seasons. Don't know about his Sunwolves' gig, but I reckon he'll be there next year
@Rancid-Schnitzel Yes that's why he's not being considered for the Crusaders gig.which was pretty reasonable bait, but no-one took it.
Overall, I can't see any rejection of Hammett by @Chris B but neither can I see any Crusaders supporting a Hammett appointment - perhaps because it was accepted he was unavailable, perhaps because Hammett.
So, you're both right
#tsffactchecker #fakenews #probablygoingtogetmebanned
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@Nepia said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
I'm giving it a nudge as well.
Conrad backed a guy who couldn't get his team to the final (popular and actual narrative), who was overseeing a team when their support fell off a cliff (actual and popular narrative), and who was made captain by that guy. As much as I love Smith - yeah, nah.
Good work!
Losing the support was a bad thing - but, given what's subsequently happened with the Canes, it's pretty clear that Hammett didn't leave Boyd and Plumtree a basket case. Pain for gain? I'm guessing right now the Canes' board wouldn't be too unhappy with Hammer's work.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby News:
@Rancid-Schnitzel @Chris-B - had five minutes so went back to the Crusaders coach thread - @pukunui and @Wurzel mentioned it (maybe as a joke) but at that time everyone was waaing on about the chance of Schmidt coming home (from reading, I can't see who Chris B's preferred candidate was, but he seemed to prefer someone from inside the organization - even ahead of Schmidt)
In response to a Hammer comment, I can only find these somewhat real comments:
@jegga When is the hammetuer off contract?
@Chris-B Hammer is contracted as Assistant Coach with the Mako$ for the 2016 and 2017 seasons. Don't
know about his Sunwolves' gig, but I reckon he'll be there next yearand:
@Chris-B Hammer is contracted as Assistant Coach with the Mako$ for the 2016 and 2017 seasons. Don't know about his Sunwolves' gig, but I reckon he'll be there next year
@Rancid-Schnitzel Yes that's why he's not being considered for the Crusaders gig.which was pretty reasonable bait, but no-one took it.
Overall, I can't see any rejection of Hammett by @Chris B but neither can I see any Crusaders supporting a Hammett appointment - perhaps because it was accepted he was unavailable, perhaps because Hammett.
So, you're both right
#tsffactchecker #fakenews #probablygoingtogetmebanned
Thank you for proving my point with actual evidence. It's not like they were going to openly reject a guy they've defended to death for half a decade, but their complete lack of support for him as Saders coach says absolutely farking everything.
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@gt12 Nepia would have been able to tell you if I'd made even the slightest blink at having Hammer at the Crusaders.
It was correct that I had question marks over Schmidt - especially around his RWC performance and I didn't think the Crusaders needed any massive culture shift - just someone who could recruit and put together a better game plan than Toddy. Schmidt's risen in my estimation since then.
Sammy will probably be able to confirm that I was mainly advocating for Dave Hewett and if you dig deep enough you'll probably find somewhere that I said something along the lines that Razor and Tabai both sound thick as planks.
Which is probably still true, but it seems like Razor can coach a footy team! However, I'm reserving complete judgement on that till the end of the season.
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@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
@gt12 Nepia would have been able to tell you if I'd made even the slightest blink at having Hammer at the Crusaders.
It was correct that I had question marks over Schmidt - especially around his RWC performance and I didn't think the Crusaders needed any massive culture shift - just someone who could recruit and put together a better game plan than Toddy. Schmidt's risen in my estimation since then.
Sammy will probably be able to confirm that I was mainly advocating for Dave Hewett and if you dig deep enough you'll probably find somewhere that I said something along the lines that Razor and Tabai both sound thick as planks.
Which is probably still true, but it seems like Razor can coach a footy team! However, I'm reserving complete judgement on that till the end of the season.
Yep, and I was bagging Razor's appointment too.
Looks like my ability to pick coaches is about the same as my game picking
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
These hypotheticals are wonderful fun now that Razor has the job and is doing well. But the fact of the matter is there was zero support for the super coach when the job was actually available. The fact Cantabs didn't even want him speaks volumes.
But you're safe to express your support for him now that there's no chance of him getting the gig.
Why would that matter, unless you think Hamish Riach and his board are avidly reading the fern and being guided by me?
If Hammer fucks up the Highlanders I'll be just as wrong as if he fucked up the Crusaders - and that's surely the only real thing at stake on the fern.
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you are doing sterling work here @Chris-B a few of the other trolls should be reading this thread and taking notes. A masterclass.
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@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
Sammy will probably be able to confirm that I was mainly advocating for Dave Hewett and if you dig deep enough you'll probably find somewhere that I said something along the lines that Razor and Tabai both sound thick as planks.
I had no problems with Hammer coming home to coach the Crusaders. He'd be heaps better than Toddy I reckon.
But as mentioned, Razor is the shit... way better than I ever thought he'd be
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@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
These hypotheticals are wonderful fun now that Razor has the job and is doing well. But the fact of the matter is there was zero support for the super coach when the job was actually available. The fact Cantabs didn't even want him speaks volumes.
But you're safe to express your support for him now that there's no chance of him getting the gig.
Why would that matter, unless you think Hamish Riach and his board are avidly reading the fern and being guided by me?
If Hammer fucks up the Highlanders I'll be just as wrong as if he fucked up the Crusaders - and that's surely the only real thing at stake on the fern.
The point is you never supported Hammett being appointed Crusaders coach until after a new coach was locked in and experiencing good results. In other words, you only endorsed him when there was no way he'd be getting the job. Its a win-win. You can still stand by your man (or son) and his awesome coaching record, while you never have to worry about him being let loose on the Crusaders.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby News:
you are doing sterling work here @Chris-B a few of the other trolls should be reading this thread and taking notes. A masterclass.
What do you mean "other trolls"?
I'm in the happy position of mainly believing my view, but knowing it winds up plenty of others.
Incidentally, I need to do some real work, so I'll sign off by noting that I'm not going to be advocating for Hammer as the next AB coach - not because I'm a hypocrite - I just don't think he'll be the best man for the job by 2019.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
These hypotheticals are wonderful fun now that Razor has the job and is doing well. But the fact of the matter is there was zero support for the super coach when the job was actually available. The fact Cantabs didn't even want him speaks volumes.
But you're safe to express your support for him now that there's no chance of him getting the gig.
Why would that matter, unless you think Hamish Riach and his board are avidly reading the fern and being guided by me?
If Hammer fucks up the Highlanders I'll be just as wrong as if he fucked up the Crusaders - and that's surely the only real thing at stake on the fern.
The point is you never supported Hammett being appointed Crusaders coach until after a new coach was locked in and experiencing good results. In other words, you only endorsed him when there was no way he'd be getting the job. Its a win-win. You can still stand by your man (or son) and his awesome coaching record, while you never have to worry about him being let loose on the Crusaders.
But, whether or not I endorsed him before or after Razor was appointed was having zero impact on the actual event. It's no more real me saying it then or now.
Since I've been arguing pro-Hammett since about 2010 it wouldn't be logical for me to say anything other than that I'd be delighted to have him.
And I would have said it except - as GT12 has shown - I didn't think he was in the mix.
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@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Super Rugby News:
@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
These hypotheticals are wonderful fun now that Razor has the job and is doing well. But the fact of the matter is there was zero support for the super coach when the job was actually available. The fact Cantabs didn't even want him speaks volumes.
But you're safe to express your support for him now that there's no chance of him getting the gig.
Why would that matter, unless you think Hamish Riach and his board are avidly reading the fern and being guided by me?
If Hammer fucks up the Highlanders I'll be just as wrong as if he fucked up the Crusaders - and that's surely the only real thing at stake on the fern.
The point is you never supported Hammett being appointed Crusaders coach until after a new coach was locked in and experiencing good results. In other words, you only endorsed him when there was no way he'd be getting the job. Its a win-win. You can still stand by your man (or son) and his awesome coaching record, while you never have to worry about him being let loose on the Crusaders.
But, whether or not I endorsed him before or after Razor was appointed was having zero impact on the actual event. It's no more real me saying it then or now.
Since I've been arguing pro-Hammett since about 2010 it wouldn't be logical for me to say anything other than that I'd be delighted to have him.
And I would have said it except - as GT12 has shown - I didn't think he was in the mix.
Of course it wouldn't be logical which is why I'm labelling you a hypocrite. Don't give me that "I didn't think he was available" crap.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I honestly don't follow your argument.
But I need to do some real work for a few hours.
I will return.
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@Chris-B. said in Super Rugby News:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I honestly don't follow your argument.
But I need to do some real work for a few hours.
I will return.
It's very simple. You defended and continue to defend this guy and his record, yet you were completely mute when he was a possibility for the Crusaders job. You can hide behind that availability nonsense if you want, but the fact is that the silence from Crusaders supporters concerning Hammett's possible appointment was absolutely deafening. He was by far and away the most experienced Super coach, yet not a single person was fighting for him to be Saders coach. Hence the word I've used about 6 times now.
