Black Caps v South Africa
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v South Africa:
@Chris-B. said in Black Caps v South Africa:
@Godder Statistically, it would be hard to argue against him.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?class=2;id=5;type=team
Changes in bat technology could still make a case for Astle.
Guppy's record is outstanding - especially opening - and that high score and strike rate are superior to Rossco, but those 17 centuries still edge it for me, statistically. To properly compare them you'd probably also need to look at some of the contexts in which their big innings (and failures) have been played.
Kane is coming along nicely, as well - but, needs some more hundreds.
Gotta be Rossco but KW will beat him overall.
Shit Fleming had a very good record for a specialist batsman with a complete inability to score hundreds. This is true in both formats.
Loved Fleming (still my TSF signature, or at least was on the old forum software).
Wish he got our first triple when he declared himself on 274* that time in Colombo
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@Chris-B. said in Black Caps v South Africa:
@Godder Statistically, it would be hard to argue against him.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?class=2;id=5;type=team
Changes in bat technology could still make a case for Astle.
What about a case for Turner.
- Highest average
- Larger fields
- No powerplays
- No fielding restrictions for a quarter of his ODIs
- and a little bat
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@TeWaio said in Black Caps v South Africa:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v South Africa:
@Chris-B. said in Black Caps v South Africa:
@Godder Statistically, it would be hard to argue against him.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?class=2;id=5;type=team
Changes in bat technology could still make a case for Astle.
Guppy's record is outstanding - especially opening - and that high score and strike rate are superior to Rossco, but those 17 centuries still edge it for me, statistically. To properly compare them you'd probably also need to look at some of the contexts in which their big innings (and failures) have been played.
Kane is coming along nicely, as well - but, needs some more hundreds.
Gotta be Rossco but KW will beat him overall.
Shit Fleming had a very good record for a specialist batsman with a complete inability to score hundreds. This is true in both formats.
Loved Fleming (still my TSF signature, or at least was on the old forum software).
Wish he got our first triple when he declared himself on 274* that time in Colombo
He made it look easy when he was in form and I was thrilled he got the average over 40 in the end which I reckon will hold him in greater esteem when looking back then if he finished on 39.99999 or whatever.
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@Crucial Don't think he played enough to be rated "greatest".
I think some of his earlier games were 60 over affairs and I'm pretty sure his big hundred was against someone like "East Africa".
He could play though and was more or less credited with inventing the chip shot over the infield.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v South Africa:
How bout the much vaunted BMac only averaging 30? That surprised me.
McCullum was derided by fans for most of his career. He got out in stupid ways and most people thought he was better than he showed. It was only that crazy year where he got 4 double tons and test and then before the World Cup that he received much adulation. I don't think he was very popular with fans the first part of his career.
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And as an aside - in other cricket news - I happened to look up the champions trophy format the other day and discovered that the Windies have been so poor they've been ousted by the Bangles.
Our group is with Australia, England and the Bangles - so not to put too fine a point on things we pretty much need to hammer the Bangles and edge the poms to make the play-offs. If we beat the Aussies that would be a bonus, but I somewhat subscribe to the "French 2011" theory that we're not good enough to beat the Aussies twice in the same tournament, so we'd be better to keep our powder dry.
