Chappell-Hadlee
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they are at school before christmas. I agree it actually seems like cricket season now and most people take some holidays in January or Feb, and lazy weekends. I was too busy to watch the 20/20 in the lead up to christmas. They should be targeting Friday and Sat night prime-time late Jan early Feb
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Yes even David White said that after Christmas is better. I think the ideal time to start the Super Smash would be on boxing day as there were crowds after Christmas but not before.
The ODI is actually on at the moment but it seems not that many are actually interested in it for there to be decent enough crowds.
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@hydro11 said in Chappell-Hadlee:
Why would you run the tournament when kids are back at school?
Not so much about the kids being back at school; more the post-christmas insanity has stopped.
That said, we're back in a routine now, could very easily be getting down to friday night games kickiing off at sixish. Populations are back in the main centres, too.
The T20 ran from early December to very early January. December is always full of pre christmas events, tired kids, end of year madness - getting time out to get to games is damn near impossible. Kids in school until late December too.
If I had control and this was the jewel in the calendar, I'd run it starting after Christmas, finishing Waitangi weekend.
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Great to win the series and entertaining matches to watch with them both being in the balance throughout.
I like Fergusons potential but think Henry has to come back in I was worried if Ferguson had to come on and bowl to Starc after Santner. Luckily Boult cleaned them up.
Henry has taken alot of wickets at good rates in NZ conditions in ODi's and as a result is ranked the 5th best ODI bowler in world rankings.
I would take that over Fergusons potential and speed.
In addition Lathams keeping was so good should he be allowed to continue in ODI's and bat down the order in that form while bringing in Worker or Brownlie to open with Guptill?
I think Neeshams days should be numbered in ODI's after those bowling displays. Couldn't even bowl 4 overs in the second, Williamson has no faith in him, stick to test cricket. Anderson maybe a chance in the future but only if he can bowl a full 10 overs or close to it. Against SA I think they should go with 5 specialist bats and 5 bowlers.
- Worker
- Guptill
- Williamson
- Taylor
- Broom
- Latham
- Santner
- Henry
- Sodhi/Ferguson
- Southee
- Boult
12th Brownlie, Ferguson/Sodhi
Latham gives you your allrounder and Worker and Williamson can chip in if one of the bowlers is having a bad day. Henry is also a decent big hitting batsman.
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I don't rate that bowling attack. I think the three pace bowlers are too similar to each other and I don't think they are well suited to bowling at the death. If I was going to pick those three pace bowlers, then I would definitely want Anderson in there because of his death bowling.
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I would agree if we had anyone who could bowl at the death but we don't. No one is banging down the door in domestic cricket. In addition death bowling is not the art it once was as batsman hit almost everything these days. Even Starc went for a few in this series. Anderson is probably the least shit you are correct but I doubt he will ever be able to bowl properly again.
Maybe a few overs but he will not be the bowler he was as his body is not up to doing the practice in the nets required to be get the consistency and control required to preform in a international. I wonder if that is what has been hampering Boult for the past two seasons as well. Practice is what allows you to really control your line and length but it places even greater demands on the body so if you are breaking down alot you will avoid it.
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@tubbyj
Has to be time for Southee to be given the hoof.
I struggle to see what he brings to the current side...
Exhibit A. His batting is often reckless, and absolutely self-serving. He has zero appreciation for the team situation and bats for himself. He should be at #11. His batting average is 12 in his last 20 ODI's
Exhibit B. His bowling. From his last 22 ODI's he has taken less than a wicket per match, his average is out to 55. (thanks to a bit of Cricinfo Stastsguru searching. And he's slow. He's sending down 130km pies. At best. Often in the 120's. Neesham is quicker.
Unless we're keeping him in the team for his fabled ability to score with air-hostesses.I would like to see:
Latham
Guptill
Williamson
Taylor
Broom or Bruce
2 of Neesham, Anderson, Munro, Worker
Santner
Henry
Boult
Ferguson/Milne -
I've lost faith in Munro - not that I ever had a lot.
The good thing right now is that we have quite a few viable options and can balance the team in a variety of ways
If everyone was fit, perhaps my favoured ODI combo is:
Guptill, Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Broom, Neesham, Anderson, Santner, Milne, Boult, Southee
Lots of batting and bowling in that - and also have Brownlie, Worker(?), Munro(?), Nichols(?), Bruce(?) Ronchi, Blundell, Sodhi, Craig, Astle, Ferguson, Henry and McClenaghan as credible (or vaguely credible) alternatives. And doubtless several others if I really thought hard.
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@Chris-B.
No Sodhi in that list either.We almost have an interchangeable XI.
You'd lock Guptill, Williamson, Taylor & Boult in though.
Imagine how dangerous Williamson & Taylor would be (actually the whole batting lineup) if they don't feel responsible for delivering the big score time after time. Brownlie, Broom, Guppy all getting some decent runs lately has to help.I feel that Anderson = Munro = Neesham. We're still looking for that big hitting, mostly high-quality allrounder.
Santner is our current day Vettori.
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I think Neesh's batting is being a bit underrated by some. Was very good in Aus and rebuilt our innings at Eden Park. He's untroubled by the extra pace and has sound technique. He just needs to bat ahead of bloody Munro, I like him at 6 after Broom.
Edit - I like the look of @Chris-B's team, plenty of batting and Kane, Neesh and Anderson to cover the 5th bowler.
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@westcoastie Sodhi's in my list of alternates - beside Craig.
Right now, I'd probably lock Broom and Santner in, as well. Latham is very handy as an opener who can keep, but if/when he loses the gloves I think his place is a bit more iffy. I don't think he's a naturally fast scorer, though hopefully he'll grow into the role.
I think Neesham and Anderson are both much better bowlers than Munro, who can really only give you an over or two here and there - Anderson has a bit of a golden arm and actually has a better ODI strike rate that Boult. He's also got a significantly better batting strike rate than anyone in yesterday's team - so as someone who can come in and really smack it around from a strong platform he's got plenty of value.
de Grandhomme could potentially do this as well and is missing from my list. If Munro has a role then this is also it - but, he's had too many failures and too few successes.
I like Neesham as a batsman, but he and Broom are probably pretty similar and better suited to five than seven - OK at six.
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@mimic said in Chappell-Hadlee:
Just saw a stat that Taylor is tied for 1st equal with 14 tons with ABDV for an odi batsman batting at 4..
Next best is 10 tons..
You know we are only 2 innings away from "Taylors slump in form is worrying" posts on here tho' right?
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@gollum said in Chappell-Hadlee:
@mimic said in Chappell-Hadlee:
Just saw a stat that Taylor is tied for 1st equal with 14 tons with ABDV for an odi batsman batting at 4..
Next best is 10 tons..
You know we are only 2 innings away from "Taylors slump in form is worrying" posts on here tho' right?
I quite like the way Howstat displays careers in graphs. It can give you a good view of a batsman's ups and downs.
This is Roscoe's one.
Those blue bars are all 100s and appear quite regularly over the last 5 years -
Yep, that blue bar in 2011 sparks a ridiculously consistent & impressive 6 years. I never get why he gets so much shit. People see him grinning ruefully to himself when he is out & think he isn't trying or something. The guys a fricking legend.
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@gollum said in Chappell-Hadlee:
Yep, that blue bar in 2011 sparks a ridiculously consistent & impressive 6 years. I never get why he gets so much shit. People see him grinning ruefully to himself when he is out & think he isn't trying or something. The guys a fricking legend.
At a quick count from 72 innings since then there are 13 tons, 13 50's, 17 over 25
So when he bats he scores over 25 60% of the time, a half ton 36% of the time and a ton 18%.
A 50% conversion rate of 50s to 100s, which is pretty impressive in ODIs
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On conversion rates, Taylor's overall is 33% which is 16th on the all-time list. That 50% rate since 2011 would have him 2nd behind De Kock and just ahead of Davey Dumbdumb
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Neesham, like Anderson, needs to bowl to be certain of a place in the ODI team (Hesson's words). And at the moment he isn't reliable enough to be even a 5th bowler. At least Anderson gets big wickets despite leaking runs, and can be a death bowling option.
Munro is a flat-track bully but we knew that. Broom has shown the maturity to take that batting spot.
