Wallaby EOYT 2016
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@jegga And SA had 8 loses - a poor year for both teams.
I haven't seen the game yet but have recorded it. This Grand Slam tour was always going to be demanding, and in hindsight Aust would have been wiser to play Ireland and England at the start. They probably had little choice though.
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Reading commentary: execution killed us. Held up twice over the line. A little knock on from Pocock prevented another try. Another pass created an intercept. Some shit work from Phipps and others trying to inject some pace.
The coach has to wear some of that, and also the fact that the bench didn't see a lot of time this tour.
But the players simply have to do better. The effect of Byrnes has not quite filtered through, clearly.
The depth is probably better right now, but not across all positions.
Really need 2017 to be that turning point to build a couple of good years. Right now, I could give less fucks about rugby.
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Bit of a misread on the events there Nick. The tries held up were more to do with good defence than poor execution. Pococks knock on created an opportunity rather than lose one.
The real killer for you guys was Phipps having a complete brain fart waiting for a call from Peyper that never came. At that point in the game your lot were playing better and England were starting to look like they might get frustrated and crumble. It let them back in, they gathered their heads and built from there.
However you were hard done by with Yardes try. The TMO telling Peyper he never lost contact with the ball while the evidence was the opposite. -
@Crucial said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Bit of a misread on the events there Nick. The tries held up were more to do with good defence than poor execution. Pococks knock on created an opportunity rather than lose one.
Getting held up is good defensive execution, but getting close enough to be over the line and not being able to score indicates another option was available, or that the subsequent scrum play wasn't good enough.
The point I guess I was trying to make is we got close, but couldn't finish.
Its another game I won't see due to the shitty timeslot
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Good match. Australia came out like a house on fire, similar to the first Test in June, and England looked to be hanging on by their fingernails. Australia couldn't keep up the intensity though, and also like in that first Test England's forwards managed to get on top and built the pressure.
Some very strange refereeing calls both ways - I thought Yarde's try was a knock-on and DHP should never have been sin-binned, but also Pocock clearly dived on Farrell when he had dropped to collect a loose ball in the lead-up to the first Australian try.
I thought Nathan Hughes was excellent for England - he had big shoes to fill and while he doesn't have quite Billy V's relentless go forward, he kept carrying well after Timani had vanished from sight, and his extra acceleration and threat of the offload adds a different dimension.
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Pretty disappointing way to end the season.
We started strongly, but needed to make it count more than we did. Should have been 20-blot, but we couldn't convert our chances and let England back in.
In the end, England were just too good. Hung tough in the first stanza, then kicked away. Their forwards were too physical, their backs too composed. They waited for our errors and then feasted on them.
Peyper was poor, but it didn't effect the end result. I thought he was only watching one team at the breakdown, and the Poms got all the 50/50s - the call before Youngs try was a case in point. But that's rugby, and we had plenty of chances to take him out of the game but didn't take them.
What to make of that season? Fuck I don't know. We played 7 games against the best two sides in the World, and were well dusted in all fucking 7. Still can't quite believe that, after the form we showed at the RWC.
Rugby's a funny game sometimes, hey.
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@NTA Timani was huge in the first half, NTA. Quieter in the second as England had all the ball. But it makes you wonder how Cheika selected Mumm last week when you have this great ball runner to pick from. The lineout appeared to be fine as well with him there. He should at the very least be selected on the bench to bring on some impact later in the game. Cheika's selections at times this year have been questionable.
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@kiwiinmelb records are made to be broken.
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@akan004 said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
@NTA Timani was huge in the first half, NTA. Quieter in the second as England had all the ball. But it makes you wonder how Cheika selected Mumm last week when you have this great ball runner to pick from. The lineout appeared to be fine as well with him there. He should at the very least be selected on the bench to bring on some impact later in the game. Cheika's selection at times this year have been questionable.
Yeah I think we need to see a proper #8, even if you're going to have the Pooper on the flanks. That won't be a concern next year with Pocock on sabbatical. Hopefully Timani continues at 8, and guys like Holloway and McCalman get a good season in.
Most of the games I watched, we needed to get more out of the tight five. Wales was an exception, but then Wales were shit and we cantered that one home.
Some of the selections have looked like horses for courses, and then shit in hindsight. We lost to Ireland by 3, despite the lopsided penalty count and Mumm's brainfart. But if we'd won, does Mumm's good work to make up for that error get tossed away?
The real question you have to ask: in two games against the ABs, the Irish gave away 8 penalties. So why pick a Wallaby lineup with two opensides, that is likely to get penalised at the breakdown? Didn't help that Ireland had stacks of possession, which was a factor in how many you give away.
Dunno. People have perception of players and tend to stick with them. Some people look at Genia's work this year in contrast to Phipps, and forget every fucking awful box kick he put up. Swings and roundabouts.
The thing is, we need to stop losing on the swings. If that makes any sense.
Ultimately, losses like Ireland, and this one, are better for the team over the longer term. The cracks can't be papered over - our discipline and execution just aren't good enough.
And that needs to change at the provincial level and schools level. Skills just aren't valued when incumbency is pretty much assured. The kids who are in the school first XV have few rivals to put pressure on them. The base isn't broad enough.
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@Crucial said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
However you were hard done by with Yardes try. The TMO telling Peyper he never lost contact with the ball while the evidence was the opposite.
I thought so too at first until the slowmo showed no separation between his left hand and the ball when it was grounded. The problem was that came off the blatant forward pass.
The run away try came from a non-call at the ruck with Vunipola in the way of Phipps who didn't milk it enough for Peyper to award an advantage and then Phipps threw it to an unsuspecting and stationary Kepu.
So that's 14 points.
Then Pocock threw a loopy gift of an intercept and that was the game.
England took their chances and started to impose themselves on defence as the game wore on. A more accurate Wallabies outfit would have had the game sewn up by half-time.
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Sefanaia Naivalu,
My hoped for draw didn't eventuate ... but the important question is, just how many Fijian wingers is Cheika going to try before he settles on a combo?
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@antipodean said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
I thought so too at first until the slowmo showed no separation between his left hand and the ball when it was grounded. The problem was that came off the blatant forward pass.
Was hard to tell with the bright advertising in the background - I thought his left hand came off it a little.
It didn't matter though - WR issued clarifications around possession, making juggled possession still equivalent to possession.
Yarde's right hand hit the ball a frame or two before he grounded it. Therefore he's in possession. Therefore fair try.
If Folau had gotten a finger on it anywhere in that sequence, knock-on by Yarde.
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England's second half was excellent. Powerful, moved the ball constantly, and looked really threatening. Their defense was really strong as well.
That said, Kepu's try was a brilliant 90m piece of multi-phase rugby and Aus should have been right in it. But a shit goal kick, and then England just crushed them to win comfortably. WTF was pocock thinking with that pass?
Well done England, an unbeaten year is huge
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@mariner4life said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
WTF was pocock thinking with that pass?
About the limit of his skill in that regard.
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that game was interesting for seeing many liabilities and limitations by both sides.
Australia's midfield I thought was poor, their locks v quiet and so too became TImani (so much so, perhaps he went off early?) But the player I really liked seeing around the park was Dan Cole, he was a giant aggro rock in defence. Gee Folau had a mostly down and slightly up game, is he that bad or are the Wallabies all just badly coached with eggshell depth? Maybe, yes and yes. Edit: oh and I thought Pocock at 6 Hooper at 7 and Timani at 8 looks a much better balanced combo. But were they shaded in the turnovers by England?
And how often do we see the Englisg backline look faster and more decisive than their Wallabies equivalants? Or is Foley not fast and strategic enough to get backs hitting the ball at pace? -
@nostrildamus For me, it starts with Phipps; laboured service prevents Foley using his speed, so he ends up pressured and making poor decisions to a stationary backline. Or immensely telegraphed inside ball.
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I made good my escape from the local Australian fan sites where the now culturally traditional whinging is in full swing, with its monotonous blaming of referees Peyper, Owens, Joubert and Poite for denying the Qantas Harmless Wallabies their destiny of beating the Poms in 2016, even more so than blaming the traitorous Eddie Jones who is failing to show respect and demonstrates a lack of humility.
Not a lot is being said there about incompetent passing, catching, tackling, on field decisions, failure to capitalise on bountiful possession and ever so crafty kicks down centre field landing on their 40 metre mark from which the ball found its way to our 5 metre line.
The English commentators didn't do much to improve the kiddies' knowledge of the game - I heard them peeing their pants about a tackle by The World's Best No 6 and went back to have a look, in expectation that the li'l fella had Michael Jones-ed someone into the turf up to his ribs. No, he had made a conventional tackle around the thigh on someone lumbering past his side of the scrum, something Brewer, Reuben Thorne, David Wilson and Matt Cockbain did routinely.
Then they eulogised Folau for running about 40 yards (and failing to pass, a deeply traditional cultural habit of his). One long run per season for eight or nine hundred thousand a year isn't that flash. I'm convinced Israel doesn't pass because he is simply too lazy to think about it. Either that or he studied too much footage of autographed videos gifted to him by Adam Two-Fathers from which he learned that passing is optional and rare. The Roar has Mr Talented-but-One-Dimensional as World's Best Full Back Who Should Be Centre, though.
Haylett-Perry's yellow card is being cited as more evidence of a declared jihad. He has ability and spark but shouldering someone for no profit, late in the game, in your own half, when their kicker is doing Dead-Eye Dick is plain stupid and worthy of a yellow for educational purposes.
Michael Cheika has done well in Europe, better than expected, with the mediocrity dished up to him by the busted Australian system. You'd think the fans would have every reason to be happy with that.
Eddie Jones' success with a team which was on its knees a year ago is worthy of admiration, especially given his lifetime of sterling service to club, state, super and international rugby. Intelligent rugby fans would have every reason to be happy with that, but we don't have many of that type - our lot prefer to subjectively dissect video footage in 7.2 second bites to reveal injustice to their faves.
I'd better check up the page now to see if I have offended any other posters who believe the Qantas Harmless Wallabies' "I surrender" performance was "solid".
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@antipodean oh yes he was so bad I felt too sorry for him to even comment. Oh actually I don't like him anyway but it spoke for itself. But also Foley doesn't seem to be very good when the pressure comes on.
Neither does Farrell, I can see why they choose Ford but it seems a bit risky to have to have both Farrell and Ford on just because Ford is a lousy conversion kicker. Farrell is not a natural 12 and even defensively now he seems to have been worked out. Ford: Carter he is not.
For Australia that Fijian winger looked ok but DHP and Hodge? I am not sold on. Their most penetrating and effective runner was a prop!
I really wish Timani could have kept up his impact.
The knives are out in Australia for Moore but this game apart from a few lineout issues I didn't think he was so bad. -
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
Michael Cheika has done well in Europe, better than expected, with the mediocrity dished up to him by the busted Australian system. You'd think the fans would have every reason to be happy with that.
Actually I thought his coaching has been staid and unimagininative!
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@nostrildamus said in Wallaby EOYT 2016:
For Australia that Fijian winger looked ok but DHP and Hodge? I am not sold on. Their most penetrating and effective runner was a prop!
Agree on Hodge, but DHP? You talkin crazy man. He's been our best player all tour, maybe all year. Incredible consistency, and again made a number of great plays last night.
Can't fault his effort at all IMO.
