AB's 2016 in Review
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Areas of concern.
Propping depth and also finding ball running props. Rugby is moving towards props who can do their core roles of scrumaging, tackling as well as being effective ball carriers. Franks and Moody unfortunately don't fit this bill. Losing Faumaina is going to be a big loss as he's our only prop in the 23 that offers good go forward.
No 8 and No 6. Finding another world class No 8 and a world class No 6 has to be high on the priority list with Read being the only decent 8 that we have and Kaino operating on his last legs. We have plenty of blindsides around but none of them apart from perhaps Akira show signs of being near Kaino's quality. Perhaps given time, Squire could also be that man. For a country that has such a large PI and Maori population, I am surprised that we don't seem to be able to produce that massive ball carrying lossie in the mould of Billy Vunipola, Picamoles etc. The last real big guy that showed promise but never quite delivered was Lauaki.
I think we are doing ok in pretty much every other position so all in all, it's not such a bad situation to be in. Hopefully we get a great crop of u20s next year that can provide us with a few quality ABs going forward. This current AB team is built around the great u20s sides of 2009-2011 but the step down in quality over the last few years has been noticeable. These things tend to be cyclical however so I wouldn't be surprised if we get a gun team again in the next couple of years.
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In the U20s, we'll see Marino Mikaele-Tu'u for his second year. There's a lot to like about this lad; he's a very big, powerful 8. He only got a few games for the Magpies (because they wanted him to play with the U19s), but if he gets a full NPC season next year, we'll be able to see whether he's really as good as he showed during the JWC. Hope the Canes will pick him up next year.
Edit: added this photo to show he's big
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If Ioane improves his workrate, he looks like an AB on the Dane Coles attitude adjustment plan. Hasn't been picked though, so I think he's a 2018 option and they are trying to get Kaino through one more year!
My guess is that Fifita is ahead and has some working about being physical. He's certainly a player with huge upside.
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I think propping depth is only a concern on the tighthead side - and I think it's our biggest concern - though Ofa seems to be making progress and Laulala will hopefully return and improve.
Loosehead we've got Moody, Crockett, Hames, Paulasi Manu and quite a few others who look quite promising.
I really like Hames - he really tries to dominate his opponent, where Crockett and Moody to an extent seem more happy just with parity. Won't surprise me to see Hames or Manu go past both in the next 12 months.
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@Hooroo said in AB's 2016 in Review:
@Chris-B. Laulala seemed to go alright before being injured. (I think he's tighthead)
If he comes back as strong and dominate then I think our propping concerns are eliminated
Not sure if it's ever been confirmed, but isn't Charlie Faumuina supposedly off to France after the Lions tour?
If so, we're effectively back to Franks, Laulala, Ofa.....someone quite a long way further back.
We've been pretty lucky that Owen Franks has been so durable - presumably that will end when he scores a test try?
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Is it Atu Moli as well, had heard the ABs had been keeping an eye on him
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He's still got a few work-ons at scrum time, but improved last year - hopefully he has a massive year for the Chiefs
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@Chris-B. said in AB's 2016 in Review:
I think propping depth is only a concern on the tighthead side - and I think it's our biggest concern - though Ofa seems to be making progress and Laulala will hopefully return and improve.
Loosehead we've got Moody, Crockett, Hames, Paulasi Manu and quite a few others who look quite promising.
I really like Hames - he really tries to dominate his opponent, where Crockett and Moody to an extent seem more happy just with parity. Won't surprise me to see Hames or Manu go past both in the next 12 months.
I assume they'll be looking at Reggie Goodes as well.
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Third hooker: with Nathan Harris regularly falling apart; Coltman and Parsons only just good enough as injury cover, but not really AB material; and Ash Dixon probably considered too old, my guess is that they'll keep a close eye on Riccitelli this Super Rugby season. I hope the lad gets sufficient game time for the Canes and continues developing well. I was really impressed last season. From short-term injury cover contract and fourth choice at best at the beginning of the 2016 season, to a full contract and 2nd choice now.
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Interesting for next year:
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen confirms pre-season 'well-being camp'
"We're going to have a camp in January, not so much a rugby camp but a strength and conditioning camp, a well-being camp - let's call it that - which will be great. -
@akan004 I don't think there's much point looking for ball running props if that's not the game plan we are going with. Even with Faumuina on the field, he's not being used to carry a lot of ball anyway.
Right now they want props that are rock solid at set piece - scrums and lineout - can tackle and hit the line hard, ones that don't lose the ball in contact, and can make the short pass.
Our 4 front line props all do that stuff at a pretty high level.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB's 2016 in Review:
Our 4 front line props all do that stuff at a pretty high level.
One might say "at an AB level"
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@Stargazer said in AB's 2016 in Review:
Interesting for next year:
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen confirms pre-season 'well-being camp'
"We're going to have a camp in January, not so much a rugby camp but a strength and conditioning camp, a well-being camp - let's call it that - which will be great.Or outside code talk, the checking in on Savea to see how fat he's got, camp.
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@gt12 It will be interesting to see how Rennie uses his props. You would expect Laulala and Hames to be the starters, with Moil and Graham to provide impact off the bench. But knowing Rennie there will be rotation. Moli is a big unit but still a kid.
As to the ABs, I think it's been good to have these difficult NH tests before the Lions series. Hansen has acknowledged that they have learned some valuable lessons. One of those lessons is obviously the breakdown, where SH teams tend to reload and get to their feet quickly if they can't win a turnover whereas NH teams really attack the ruck with bodies/hands.
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@Stargazer said in AB's 2016 in Review:
In the U20s, we'll see Marino Mikaele-Tu'u for his second year. There's a lot to like about this lad; he's a very big, powerful 8. He only got a few games for the Magpies (because they wanted him to play with the U19s), but if he gets a full NPC season next year, we'll be able to see whether he's really as good as he showed during the JWC. Hope the Canes will pick him up next year.
Edit: added this photo to show he's big
It's the hair.
Show a photo next to Ardie standing on his head so we get a real gauge
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@booboo said in AB's 2016 in Review:
@Stargazer said in AB's 2016 in Review:
In the U20s, we'll see Marino Mikaele-Tu'u for his second year. There's a lot to like about this lad; he's a very big, powerful 8. He only got a few games for the Magpies (because they wanted him to play with the U19s), but if he gets a full NPC season next year, we'll be able to see whether he's really as good as he showed during the JWC. Hope the Canes will pick him up next year.
Edit: added this photo to show he's big
It's the hair.
Show a photo next to Ardie standing on his head so we get a real gauge
LOL, he is 1.92m according to his Magpies profile. That's only 1cm smaller than Kieran Read (All Blacks & Crusaders profile). Ardie is 1.90m according to his All Blacks profile or 1.88m according to his Hurricanes profile (does the hair explain the difference?). So Mikaele-Tu'u is definitely taller than Savea, regardless of the hair. Once that photo exists, I'll post it ...
