All Blacks v Ireland II
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
Simon there are no neutrals. You're an All Black fan or a hater. We know that.
Replay shows what was seen in the coverage. Confirms that left made contact with the chest and wrapped under the ball whilst right shoulder impacted Irish player's shoulder. Head clash on contact.
Nothing to see here. Shouldn't have been a penalty.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
Simon there are no neutrals. You're an All Black fan or a hater. We know that.
Replay shows what was seen in the coverage. Confirms that left made contact with the chest and wrapped under the ball whilst right shoulder impacted Irish player's shoulder. Head clash on contact.
Nothing to see here. Shouldn't have been a penalty.
Watch the second angle. Point of the shoulder straight into the head, no shoulder-to-shoulder, no head clash. Your analysis matches what I though in real time, but that video shows it to be clearly wrong.
World Rugby announced a crackdown on even unintentional head-high shots immediately prior to this series of internationals. If you think they won't take a look at this you're dreaming.
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@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
Thanks.
I'd have them all in the same league and give them all 12 week bans personally. Fair's fair.
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If WR are serious about eliminating the upright tackles (and their language seems to indicate they are) you could legitimately see 4 citings from this match.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
So what you're saying is that Sexton committed a foul in an attempt to stop a try from being scored. Which is a professional foul. Which is a penalty try and 10 minutes in the bin.
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
So what you're saying is that Sexton committed a foul in an attempt to stop a try from being scored. Which is a professional foul. Which is a penalty try and 10 minutes in the bin.
Only a penalty try if the try wasn't scored, only a professional foul if you view it as deliberate (which I don't think it was). Even so, a penalty should have been awarded and a YC wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility, yes.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Shoulder to shoulder? Get out of here, that's shoulder to face and you know it.
Disagree, the angle is mildy deceptive but it is pretty clear the shoulder doesn't touch his face, the impact to the head is the accidental head knock.
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@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Shoulder to shoulder? Get out of here, that's shoulder to face and you know it.
Disagree, the angle is mildy deceptive but it is pretty clear the shoulder doesn't touch his face, the impact to the head is the accidental head knock.
I'm starting to understand why the Aussies resort to brightly coloured arrows.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
So what you're saying is that Sexton committed a foul in an attempt to stop a try from being scored. Which is a professional foul. Which is a penalty try and 10 minutes in the bin.
Only a penalty try if the try wasn't scored, only a professional foul if you view it as deliberate (which I don't think it was). Even so, a penalty should have been awarded and a YC wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility, yes.
I'm disagreeing on intent.
Sexton aimed high and swung his arm at the head.
Lack of injury means it didn't get highlighted.
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@booboo said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Just saw this slow-mo of the Cane high tackle on YouTube. At the time in the match I thought it was more of a head-clash and a penalty only was a fair call, but the second angle here looks really ugly.
I expect a citing for both Cane and Fekitoa.
Quick! tweet Brett Gosper.
Tweet Brian Moore.
We need a hashtag and arm bands.
Who is it you think you're talking to? I'm a neutral here, I have no axe to grind.
I posted the video because it shows an angle that wasn't shown on TV (at least on my feed) and it changed my perception on what I thought was a borderline penalty to a pretty clear yellow at least.
And from your defensive reaction, I think you see it too.
I for one welcome your neutral opinion Simon.
Do you think you can dig up any neutral videos of the Sexton hit on Barrett?
Glad you asked.
Definitely above the shoulders, not particularly dangerous but should have been a penalty at least.
Not remotely in the same league as Cane or Fekitoa's though.
So what you're saying is that Sexton committed a foul in an attempt to stop a try from being scored. Which is a professional foul. Which is a penalty try and 10 minutes in the bin.
Only a penalty try if the try wasn't scored, only a professional foul if you view it as deliberate (which I don't think it was). Even so, a penalty should have been awarded and a YC wouldn't have been out of the realms of possibility, yes.
I'm disagreeing on intent.
Sexton aimed high and swung his arm at the head.
Lack of injury means it didn't get highlighted.
Fair enough, looked like Barrett dipped a bit to score the try to me but it's hard to judge intent. As I say, a yellow wouldn't have been disproportionate either way.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Shoulder to shoulder? Get out of here, that's shoulder to face and you know it.
Disagree, the angle is mildy deceptive but it is pretty clear the shoulder doesn't touch his face, the impact to the head is the accidental head knock.
I'm starting to understand why the Aussies resort to brightly coloured arrows.
The video is shot at or below waist height and Cane is closer to the shot which makes him look slightly bigger. Better angles (you know, the ones shot from the professional camera crew) showed there was no contact. I'm honestly amazed you're trying to argue otherwise.
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To expand on that, even if that shit angle was available to the refs why would they use it when other angles were able to clarify what happened? It's like if a try is scored and one angle shows a clear try, and another shows it looks short. They're not going to ignore the angle that shows the try and rule no try.
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I spent the first half furious with Peyper, the first 20 of the second half furious at our own players discipline.
The A smith card was ridiculous, the reffing of the ruck turnovers was ridiculous. Realising this ABs should have changed their approach and contested more rucks, but then Peyper ....... When we did contest we got nothing or penalised for our troubles. It was very strange.
But. Ref blaming cry babying gets us no where. Need to learn from this and break the perception.
Irish pack are awesome.
Although I registered that both Henshaw and Sexton went off, didn't really think about them as a combo on the spine, and their attacking cohesiveness.
Very annoyed in real time with Barrett's dickheadery with trying to run that try too close to the posts. Although in hindsight should have been a 10 point try or opposition down to 14, could have accidentally paid off if Peyper didn't get annoyed with his own TMO ......
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@Rapido said in Ireland II:
Very annoyed in real time with Barrett's dickheadery with trying to run that try too close to the posts. Although in hindsight should have been a 10 point try or opposition down to 14, could have accidentally paid off if Peyper didn't get annoyed with his own TMO ......
HE ran close to increases kicking percentage.
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@broughie said in Ireland II:
@Rapido said in Ireland II:
Very annoyed in real time with Barrett's dickheadery with trying to run that try too close to the posts. Although in hindsight should have been a 10 point try or opposition down to 14, could have accidentally paid off if Peyper didn't get annoyed with his own TMO ......
HE ran close to increases kicking percentage.
No shit. But it wasn't on. And when he realised it wasn't on, instead of just diving he kept trying to get behind.
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Thought it was ok. On replay the irishsr played it with his palms 'up'. Normally it's a slap down.
In normal time it looked dodgy though!
That refereeing performance by peyper is second only to a Wayne Barnes classic against the ABs. Dreadful.
