New Mitre 10 Cup laws
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@Duluth of course he's vulnerable, that's why stealing ball is a skill, and takes bravery (and why my neck is fucked). As long as refs are hard on the guys diving in like Lood on the weekend, then it should be all good.
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Yeah I don't disagree with that
When I read the IRB is concerned about 'safety' I assume they are concerned about legal liability, panics leading to bans in some places etc etc
I suspect the IRB has already decided there will be a change to the breakdown, but they just haven't decided what (because the NPC laws have failed)I am skeptical any effort to keep players on their feet at the breakdown can work without a return to rucking.
Maybe that should be an experiment? Play a one off, decent quality game, with the breakdown ruled like it was ~20 years ago -
@Duluth my reservations about taking the hands out, and keeping guys on their feet, is the ref is going to have to be really hard on body height. Guys go off their feet because the first player there is really fucking low (from either side), so the next guy goes even lower. And at test match pace, that normally results in teams piling off their feet.
That will be a lot of penalties to sort that out.
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the aim of the new changes was supposed to result in more tries too (which makes rugby better apparently) but it hasn't really given them that either.
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Under the experimental laws, which New Zealand Rugby high performance referee manager Rod Hill said weren't viewed as a success by World Rugby, a ruck was considered formed as soon as an attacking player arrived in support of the tackled player. It has led to Mitre 10 Cup and Heartland Championship teams not committing players to the breakdown, instead fanning out across the park on defence and taking the contest for possession out of the game. Teams routinely strung 10-15 phases together, with often only a handling error or a kick resulting in a change of possession.He won't have to worry about them when Super Rugby kicks off next season, as the experimental laws will not continue in the competition. That will see the welcome return of a battle for possession at the breakdown, the factor which made rugby what it was, Thorne said.While World Rugby wasn't keen on the lack of a contest at the breakdown, Hill said there were aspects of the trial the governing body "really liked", including a reduction of neck rolls and yellow cards. "The key things that we're trying to achieve is to put players in safer positions at the tackle breakdown, we definitely achieved that," Hill said. "The piece that isn't where we want it was while players are up on their feet significantly more than previous years, we haven't been able to create the contest that we're looking for. And how do we create an offside line at the post tackle stage a little bit earlier than a formal ruck or formal maul to form?"One rule change in next year's Super Rugby competition will see penalty tries automatically result in seven points, without a conversion being taken. The experimental points trial featured in the Heartland competition, in which tries were worth six points and penalties dropped down to two, will be ditched after this year's competition. -
@Stargazer as long as there's no baggage with these laws....
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@ACT-Crusader Just no. Pack up your shit and leave.
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@Stargazer said in New Mitre 10 Cup laws:
Under the experimental laws, which New Zealand Rugby high performance referee manager Rod Hill said weren't viewed as a success by World Rugby, a ruck was considered formed as soon as an attacking player arrived in support of the tackled player.
Best news I've heard all week
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It looks like they will trial an adapted breakdown rule next year:
New Zealand Rugby high performance referee manager Rod Hill confirmed the trial breakdown laws used in the Mitre 10 Cup have been dumped by World Rugby although there would not be a total return to the old laws around the breakdown. The trial involving six-point tries and two-point penalties, used in the Heartland Championship this year, has also been dumped. Hill was in Dunedin over the weekend and told the Otago Daily Times the trial rules went too far and World Rugby had already made the decision to get rid of them.''We are trying to have a game for all sizes and we still want that fetcher. The opportunity for them to come in and get the ball but having said that we went the players up off their feet. If you change the laws you can get the players up. ''It is not the tackler who makes the turnover, it is the first arriving player. If we can keep that first arriving player in the game then we might have found that happy medium.'' The new rule would require the tackler to get out of the breakdown and then come through the gate. The offside line would come in place when a player is over the ball.World Rugby had decided to use these new amended breakdown laws in domestic competitions around the world over the next year. If the trial was successful it may be introduced in Super Rugby in 2018.Super Rugby would implement one of the changes when penalty tries next year would not require a conversion - it would be an automatic seven points.http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11726970
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these tings can sound good in theory....leave things alone, I know it might be a bias view, but things seem to be going pretty well at International and Super rugby level at the moment.
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There are some things about the variations I kind of liked. The main things are the focus on keeping players on their feet and the idea that the offside line begins when an attacking player arrives at the breakdown.
I'd keep those two things and be strict on enforcing no new hands once a ruck is formed (but players who are in there before the ruck are OK) and I think we'll be fine.
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@Bones bro, I'm here all week
