Beaver's all time NZ Super sides
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@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Beaver named his top Highlanders all time XV last night. Debate away Landers supporters.
- Carl Hoeft
- Anton Oliver
- Carl Hayman
- Simon Maling
- James Ryan
- Taine Randell
- Josh Kronfeld
- Isitolo Maka
- Aaron Smith
- Lima Sopoaga
- Waisake Naholo
- John Leslie
- Malakai Fekitoa
- Jeff Wilson
- Ben Smith
Hard for me to look past Nasi Manu at 8. Absolute inspiration in his years with the team, most notably the 2015 championship year.
Pita Alatini over Leslie at 12. Could even make an argument for Mapusua.
10 - Id say majority would lean Tony Brown but again hard to look past what Lima achieved in his years with the team. Pretty cool that his best years were when Brownie was coaching the side.
Hayman or Meeuws, take your pick. Can’t go wrong either way but I’ll stick with Hayman.
There have been a bunch of good and solid locks but none that really went on and became household names. Tom Franklin, Jackson Hemopo, Tom Donnelly, Jarrod Hoeata. Let’s just steal Brad Thorn and add him to the list 😅
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@Landers92 I would have Donnelly ahead of James Ryan. Donnelly was a mainstay and at Super level was a dominant player. Plus his longevity for the landers prior to moving to a couple of other franchises should have him ahead of a number of others.
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And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .
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@ACT-Crusader said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .
Mate you’re dreaming, those Blues and Canes backlines would tear the Crusaders a new one.
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@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@ACT-Crusader said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .
Mate you’re dreaming, those Blues and Canes backlines would tear the Crusaders a new one.
Thats why those two teams have more trophy's than us.
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Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
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@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
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@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Canes/Blues first five in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest probably fall short man for man.
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@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
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@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
You have Merhtens as well to consider.
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@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.
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@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.
Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.
Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.
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@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.
Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.
Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.
Just shows how important 10 is to the success of a team.
Crusaders would still beat the Blues backline. Tuitupou and Rieko aren't exactly renowned distributors, and with Mehrts/Carter/Mounga kicking game, the two lethal wingers aren't getting much to counter-attack from.
Canes backs would stuff them though, even with the somewhat limited BB at 10 you've got Nonu and Smith feeding those outsides. -
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.
Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.
Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.
Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?
Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......
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@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.
Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.
Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.
Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?
Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......
mayerhoffler, matson, berryman
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@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.
Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.
Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.
Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?
Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......
Marika Vunibaka,Rico Gear,Nemani Nadolo, and Sony Bill Williams in the MF would all be in contention.
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@Chris said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.
Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.
Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.
Back three would be a choice of MacDonald, Dagg and Jordan at FB. I'd imagine Ralph and Reece on the wings ( or maybe they shoehorn one of the FBs, whichever way they go they fall short compared to the Blues/Canes ). Midfield is Aaron Mauger and probably Goodhue ?
Actually aside from the wings they compare ok.......
Marika Vunibaka,Rico Gear,Nemani Nadolo, and Sony Bill Williams in the MF would all be in contention.
Yeah I naturally went to Ralph and Reece due to tries scored and number of appearances.
Nadolo and Vunibaka made huge impacts and Gear is someone I forgot.
SBW and Robbie Fruean formed probably the most imposing midfield combo in Super Rugby history but neither played enough to get a serious mention I wouldn't have thought.
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@reprobate said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@MN5 said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Canes4life said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@Shekou-man said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
Hang on a minute how many titles have the Canes won with the backlines that tear us a new one every time they faced us?
Our backline would have torn you to shreds in the one final that we played you in, however you decided to make it impossible for anyone to know where the bloody ball was.
Most of the titles the Crusaders have won are due to your boring brand, scrum and set piece dominance in freezing conditions. No one wants to watch that rubbish.
If these sides faced each other on a dry track, the Crusaders are getting ripped apart. Those Blues and Canes backlines are far superior to anything the Crusaders could put out. Let's be honest.
The only individual who is better than any Cane/Blue in history would be DC ( admittedly in a key position )
The rest fall well short man for man.
Will Carter even make the Crusaders top side based on Richie Mo's results? You could pop him at 12 maybe? That's probably the most heavily debated position out of any side.
Had a sip of my coffee and had a rethink. Marshall was maligned a bit as a player ( and even more so as a commentator ) but he matches up comparatively to Weepu and Tonu'u.
Yep, Marshall and Carter definitely stack up but the rest of the backline not so much. You could probably argue Will Jordan but then again Mils had a great career, and Cully, well he's the GOAT in that position.
Unfortunately for the Saders, arguably three of their most influential backs all played 10 in Mehrtens, Carter and Mo'unga and you can only pick 1.
Just shows how important 10 is to the success of a team.
Crusaders would still beat the Blues backline. Tuitupou and Rieko aren't exactly renowned distributors, and with Mehrts/Carter/Mounga kicking game, the two lethal wingers aren't getting much to counter-attack from.
Canes backs would stuff them though, even with the somewhat limited BB at 10 you've got Nonu and Smith feeding those outsides.Yeah, but then the Blues pack can probably match-up to the Saders pack, I think that Canes tight five would struggle which has always been a weakness. If the Canes get plenty of ball then they will be tough to spot.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .
None of your teams had a Rupeni.
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@nostrildamus said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
@ACT-Crusader said in Beaver's all time NZ Super sides:
And you can see why he’s leaving the Saders (best) to last. Far too difficult to just pick 15. Crusaders 3rd XV would beat these other squads.. .
None of your teams had a Rupeni.
Carlos did a podcast with the KOKO boys earlier in the week and was asked that if he had to start one, bench one and drop one out of Rupeni, Lomu and Joe Rocks, he said he would start Rupeni, use Lomu as impact and he would drop Joe.
Rupeni was just a freak, for someone to be selected a head of prime Lomu, you had to be bloody good. He was on another level.
