Crusaders v Blues
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@Mauss said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@akan004 If Holland played for the Blues, and Beehre played for the Highlanders, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
Beehre looks a good player for the future, but he has got some bulking out to do. Certainly does more around the field than Josh Lord ever has though.
Holland and Beehre are completely different players, though: Holland has a dominant defensive profile while Beehre's stand-out quality is his ability to make metres in attack. They wouldn't be competing for the same spot.
Neither are particularly dominant lineout players.
That is pretty much what the stats suggest, though Holland is a defensive lineout threat (4 Steals)... I suspect in a better side, Holland would look way more dominant. Beehre to me still looks a little lightweight for the style of player that he is.
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@Darth-Sader said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Stag said in Crusaders v Blues:
In reality the Crusaders aren’t playing any better than they did last year, just getting a bit more luck. They will come unstuck in a big way if they don’t start improving soon.
Who’s consistently playing better than them? Where do they sit on the table?
Crusaders are undoubtedly better than they were last year. As the Blues are much worse. The addition of JOC and form of Hotham have definitely made a substantial difference. The bounce of the ball is coming their way more than last year.
I'd also suggest the competition is more equal. I don't think that they're playing clearly better than everyone else though and not well enough yet I'd back them to win the comp.
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@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Mauss said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@akan004 If Holland played for the Blues, and Beehre played for the Highlanders, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
Beehre looks a good player for the future, but he has got some bulking out to do. Certainly does more around the field than Josh Lord ever has though.
Holland and Beehre are completely different players, though: Holland has a dominant defensive profile while Beehre's stand-out quality is his ability to make metres in attack. They wouldn't be competing for the same spot.
Neither are particularly dominant lineout players.
That is pretty much what the stats suggest, though Holland is a defensive lineout threat (4 Steals)... I suspect in a better side, Holland would look way more dominant. Beehre to me still looks a little lightweight for the style of player that he is.
I don't see that with Beehre at all - he seems to me to be right up at the top ball in hand, always impressed at his drive.
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@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Mauss said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@akan004 If Holland played for the Blues, and Beehre played for the Highlanders, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
Beehre looks a good player for the future, but he has got some bulking out to do. Certainly does more around the field than Josh Lord ever has though.
Holland and Beehre are completely different players, though: Holland has a dominant defensive profile while Beehre's stand-out quality is his ability to make metres in attack. They wouldn't be competing for the same spot.
Neither are particularly dominant lineout players.
That is pretty much what the stats suggest, though Holland is a defensive lineout threat (4 Steals)... I suspect in a better side, Holland would look way more dominant. Beehre to me still looks a little lightweight for the style of player that he is.
I don't see that with Beehre at all - he seems to me to be right up at the top ball in hand, always impressed at his drive.
Beehre isn’t from an exotic European country so slightly harder to hype up
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@KiwiInLondon said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Mauss said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@akan004 If Holland played for the Blues, and Beehre played for the Highlanders, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
Beehre looks a good player for the future, but he has got some bulking out to do. Certainly does more around the field than Josh Lord ever has though.
Holland and Beehre are completely different players, though: Holland has a dominant defensive profile while Beehre's stand-out quality is his ability to make metres in attack. They wouldn't be competing for the same spot.
Neither are particularly dominant lineout players.
That is pretty much what the stats suggest, though Holland is a defensive lineout threat (4 Steals)... I suspect in a better side, Holland would look way more dominant. Beehre to me still looks a little lightweight for the style of player that he is.
I don't see that with Beehre at all - he seems to me to be right up at the top ball in hand, always impressed at his drive.
Beehre isn’t from an exotic European country so slightly harder to hype up
Was talking about that with a mate haha.
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@KiwiInLondon said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Mauss said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@akan004 If Holland played for the Blues, and Beehre played for the Highlanders, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
Beehre looks a good player for the future, but he has got some bulking out to do. Certainly does more around the field than Josh Lord ever has though.
Holland and Beehre are completely different players, though: Holland has a dominant defensive profile while Beehre's stand-out quality is his ability to make metres in attack. They wouldn't be competing for the same spot.
Neither are particularly dominant lineout players.
That is pretty much what the stats suggest, though Holland is a defensive lineout threat (4 Steals)... I suspect in a better side, Holland would look way more dominant. Beehre to me still looks a little lightweight for the style of player that he is.
I don't see that with Beehre at all - he seems to me to be right up at the top ball in hand, always impressed at his drive.
Beehre isn’t from an exotic European country so slightly harder to hype up
England is exotic
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@Machpants said in Crusaders v Blues:
@KiwiInLondon said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Mauss said in Crusaders v Blues:
@frugby said in Crusaders v Blues:
@akan004 If Holland played for the Blues, and Beehre played for the Highlanders, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
Beehre looks a good player for the future, but he has got some bulking out to do. Certainly does more around the field than Josh Lord ever has though.
Holland and Beehre are completely different players, though: Holland has a dominant defensive profile while Beehre's stand-out quality is his ability to make metres in attack. They wouldn't be competing for the same spot.
Neither are particularly dominant lineout players.
That is pretty much what the stats suggest, though Holland is a defensive lineout threat (4 Steals)... I suspect in a better side, Holland would look way more dominant. Beehre to me still looks a little lightweight for the style of player that he is.
I don't see that with Beehre at all - he seems to me to be right up at the top ball in hand, always impressed at his drive.
Beehre isn’t from an exotic European country so slightly harder to hype up
England is exotic
South Croydon does have some interesting plants and fauna
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@Bovidae said in Crusaders v Blues:
@akan004 said in Crusaders v Blues:
What were Leinster thinking.
Just as well he signed the contract before this game. I blame him rather than the young props for that game-winning penalty.
I get everyone loves to pile on Rieko because he's not some super fast Conrad Smith, but it's an awful high bar in that weather to clean up a ball that shoots out of a ruck as a result of another veteran All Black's poor decision.
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I'm not absolving Barrett either, but you can bet certain people in the media will still be talking him up. It was obvious that playing in the opposition half was crucial in the last 5 mins.
I also thought McWhannell made a positive impact as a sub. He's always been good at winning opposition lineout ball, and did well in that maul turnover.
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@Canes4life said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Steven-Harris said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Canes4life we are quick to put the boot into certain players but the lack of improvement from a player thats played close to 70 internationals is alarming
You just can’t make excuses for Reiko anymore unless he goes back to the wingHe could have been one of our greatest wingers, should have stayed there.
Sly Proctor promotion, nice.
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First full match I’ve seen in ages.
First half was a mixture of awful and brilliant. Crusaders defense the brilliant, Blues communication the awful. They created space but barely used it.
Second was much higher quality. Blues should have won it if not for brain farts. They were well
On top with excellent plays by Sotutu and Lam. Ioane looks like his brain has left for Leinster already. Barrett shows glimpses of old but then some bang average stuff.Crusaders are brilliant on defense but seem a bit clueless with the ball. Be glad to get the points, but only some brilliant scrum power got the win for them.
JOC is much better than their starting 10 but really seems to be enjoying himself. The old man in me is really happy for him, I think his ego issues when young were poorly managed and he just looks really settled. Good on him.
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Is it me or does Segner look bigger this year ?, thought his lineout work was first rate
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Crusaders- Lio-Willie continues to impress. Havilli is influencial. Will Jordan is developing his kicking game. Noah Hotham is showing he is in the AB mix. T. Williams is becoming a legend. Newell is becoming a AB bomb squad essential. The Crusaders pack is different with Taylor there.
Blues- actually impressed with Angus and Hoskins tonight. Showed their AB (or past) credentials.
Was hoping Shalfoon(?) would impress but thought the young Blues lock was just as good. -
I would be finding a way to have JoC starting if I was the Saders.
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@frugby seems a lack of smarts and inability to read a game.and adjust to what is required.
Too many of the poor.decisions seem almost as if they are part of a game plan.
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You have got to give Rob Penny and his coaching group his dues for keeping Fletcher Newall on the paddock for the entire 80 minutes , 2 very impactful moments at scrum time in the last 10 minutes
We are often critical of coaches who make pre arranged subs but on this occasion common sense prevailed
