All Blacks 2025
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I think alot of the problems the All Black selectors are facing has to do with the NZR contracting system and lack of money.
I bet player agents are not satisfied with a baseline salary below what the overseas clubs are offering then match fees topping it up. In order to sign the likes of Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Sam Cane, Reiko Ioane etc they would have had to guarantee them a baseline salary the equivalent of the market rate whether they are selected to play or not.
With NZR short of money this would mean the selectors would have limited scope to pick anyone outside of the contracted All Blacks because the money has already been spent and new players just up the cost which NZR can not afford. There is probably a limited allowance for a few form players each season but there will be a budgeted cost which the selectors can not exceed.
I think as fans we are going to have to get used to the All Blacks being more like a Super rugby/NZ cricket side ie that once a player has a contract they will be involved in the All Blacks until that contract expires regardless of form.
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I hope that the NZ government uses the same shaky economics that were used to dole out massive amounts of money for Americas Cup bullshit (which means far less to NZ's image, tourism, national identity etc), and buy us out of the private equity disaster, and separate professional rugby finances from community and schools rugby.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
With Joe Schimdt standing down as Wallabies coach how likely are we to get him back as an ABs coach?
I'd love to see that happen. But not sure on the dynamics of him and Razor. We saw what a difference he made when he helped Foster.
I know it's only 1 year, but I'm second guessing Razor over him, if that was ever an option.I wonder why he is quitting? Anyone have any scoop? Seems a hard job to keep for some reason.
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@Darren said in All Blacks 2025:
I wonder why he is quitting? Anyone have any scoop? Seems a hard job to keep for some reason.
Family. His son has medical support needs and both his son and Joe's wife live in New Zealand so he doesn't want to be away from them as much as the wallabies coaching role requires.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2025:
With Joe Schimdt standing down as Wallabies coach how likely are we to get him back as an ABs coach?
Not much for a whaile at least. Apparently he offered to stay take an advisoary role with Wallabies.
But that depend if the new coach wants that - they'd be a moron if they didn't, but who knows
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
Iād love a chance to make a new joke for 2025
Why? Recycling's been a winner for you for years?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
RM would love to come back for the right $$$ I'm sure. But buying him out is expensive and NZR have no money.
Meantime, while Robertson and NZR fucked about chasing Mo'unga, they pissed about with Plummer so he decided to bugger-off.
Would be nice to have some sort of player development plan in place wouldn't it?
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 its bit damning that it feels there are a few guys that seems to get worse the longer they are in the AB environment
Were you talking about players or coaching staff?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 its bit damning that it feels there are a few guys that seems to get worse the longer they are in the AB environment
Were you talking about players or coaching staff?
not sure i need to differentiate
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren said in All Blacks 2025:
I wonder why he is quitting? Anyone have any scoop? Seems a hard job to keep for some reason.
Family. His son has medical support needs and both his son and Joe's wife live in New Zealand so he doesn't want to be away from them as much as the wallabies coaching role requires.
Same as before then
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren said in All Blacks 2025:
I wonder why he is quitting? Anyone have any scoop? Seems a hard job to keep for some reason.
Family. His son has medical support needs and both his son and Joe's wife live in New Zealand so he doesn't want to be away from them as much as the wallabies coaching role requires.
Same as before then
i had assumed thing had changed for him when he took the Wallabies job, his son didn;t need as much support or something
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren said in All Blacks 2025:
I wonder why he is quitting? Anyone have any scoop? Seems a hard job to keep for some reason.
Family. His son has medical support needs and both his son and Joe's wife live in New Zealand so he doesn't want to be away from them as much as the wallabies coaching role requires.
Same as before then
i had assumed thing had changed for him when he took the Wallabies job, his son didn;t need as much support or something
I got impression he took Wallabies job with some push from WR. If he was real keen I sure his son could get good care/help in Aus too, but Joe never intended (or I think was interested) in more than a caretaker role to help sort them out. Was a bit like WR was pretty keen on Aus getting 27 WC, as they needed help to get books sorted etc.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren said in All Blacks 2025:
I wonder why he is quitting? Anyone have any scoop? Seems a hard job to keep for some reason.
Family. His son has medical support needs and both his son and Joe's wife live in New Zealand so he doesn't want to be away from them as much as the wallabies coaching role requires.
Same as before then
i had assumed thing had changed for him when he took the Wallabies job, his son didn;t need as much support or something
I got impression he took Wallabies job with some push from WR. If he was real keen I sure his son could get good care/help in Aus too, but Joe never intended (or I think was interested) in more than a caretaker role to help sort them out. Was a bit like WR was pretty keen on Aus getting 27 WC, as they needed help to get books sorted etc.
I suspect that they'd rather be at home near family support?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren said in All Blacks 2025:
I wonder why he is quitting? Anyone have any scoop? Seems a hard job to keep for some reason.
Family. His son has medical support needs and both his son and Joe's wife live in New Zealand so he doesn't want to be away from them as much as the wallabies coaching role requires.
Same as before then
i had assumed thing had changed for him when he took the Wallabies job, his son didn;t need as much support or something
I got impression he took Wallabies job with some push from WR. If he was real keen I sure his son could get good care/help in Aus too, but Joe never intended (or I think was interested) in more than a caretaker role to help sort them out. Was a bit like WR was pretty keen on Aus getting 27 WC, as they needed help to get books sorted etc.
I suspect that they'd rather be at home near family support?
For sure mate, just saying if he was real keen etc. It seems he was struggling when coaching Ireland with the whole head coach gig at test level, was wearing him down a fair bit. Well that's what Hansen said, they pretty good mates.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
He has at least stabilized the dumpster fire that was the Wallabies. Up to them not to screw up the next appointment. Kiss from the Reds would seem a decent hire. And Latham has been around for some time
Just read that Latham is off to coach in MLR, says he needs experience, and hopes to work his way up to Reds. He nowhere near an international coach.
