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  • RapidoR Offline
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    #335

    It's been a good era globally for seam bowling the last 2 years (post-Boult retirement). The bowlers have been on top.

    Here is Southee in the global context of opening bowlers:

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    @Bovidae said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    It's got even harder now.

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/new-zealand-england-docked-wtc-points-for-slow-over-rates-in-christchurch-test-1463242

    "Baffled"? Yes Benjamin it appears you are ...

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    Seems appropriate to let you all know it’s a fucken beautiful day in the nations capital. Perfect for some test cricket !!!

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    @MN5 It's always a beautiful day when we get to watch Will O'Rourke bat.

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    Same playing 11. There is some outright thievery of test caps occurring at the Basin Reserve. Someone should get the police involved.

    Then someone will have to explain to a judge how the 9th or 10th best fit seam bowler is opening the bowling in a test match and the 4th best fit keeper/batsman is playing.

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    I am really struggling with Southee's continued selection. In fact, it is seriously pissing me off! IIRC he took 2 wickets at Hagley, one of which was the GP screamer that had no right to be caught, and was in no way attributable to good bowling. He had none of the dropped sitters off his bowling either.

    He was very good for a long time, but bloody hell it is over Tim!

    I really hope that the above is somehow a reverse jinx, but it seems soooooo unlikely.

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    @Snowy said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    I am really struggling with Southee's continued selection. In fact, it is seriously pissing me off! IIRC he took 2 wickets at Hagley, one of which was the GP screamer that had no right to be caught, and was in no way attributable to good bowling. He had none of the dropped sitters off his bowling either.

    He was very good for a long time, but bloody hell it is over Tim!

    I really hope that the above is somehow a reverse jinx, but it seems soooooo unlikely.

    The sentimental farewell tour - something NZ sports teams are priding themselves on lately.

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    In the last 11 tests , his best bowling return has been a 2/46.

    And only taken more than a 1-fer or a 0-fer on 2 occasions out of 21 innings, (2/46 and 2/85)

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    @Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    The sentimental farewell tour - something NZ sports teams are priding themselves on lately.

    Yeah, the pride is supposed to go before a fall, we are just incorporating it.

    Losing when you aren't putting your best players in the team is unbelievably stupid in a business that's sole purpose is to win (or at the very least inspire performance). I can't see watching "has beens" lose being inspirational for the guys waiting either.

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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    @Snowy The most annoying thing is that they'll open the bowling with Tim - when he should be the fourth seamer.

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    Wellington on a slightly above average day today. Bit cloudy, not a lot of wind. That ripped through yesterday. Win the toss and bowl.

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    #346

    In that 14 man squad, to look at Duffy and Southee bowling in the trainings and decide Southee is in the best 11 must take a certain type of dishonesty from the leadership.

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    @Snowy said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    I really hope that the above is somehow a reverse jinx, but it seems soooooo unlikely.

    Timmy's bowling seems beyond even my powers of reverse jinx. Sadly finishing up a passenger for two last Tests.

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    Did anyone really expect this regime to drop Southee in his final series?

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    @Chris-B said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    @Snowy The most annoying thing is that they'll open the bowling with Tim - when he should be the fourth seamer.

    @Chris had the only plausible reason for this that I have heard - Tim is shit with the new ball, but he will be much shitter with an older one.

    He may have been a touch more eloquent than that about it.

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    Timmy's last 11 test matches (21 innings). 17 wicket at 52.

    It's probably hard to find an equivalent run ever in NZ history. I wonder what the worst run of 11 tests is for an NZ bowler without getting dropped.

    Is basically slightly worse than the equivalent of career Chris Pringle average-wise, but at half the wicket taking ability.

    I looked at the last 21 bowling innings of Kyle Mills as an example. Compared to Tim's 17 wickets at 52. Kyle was drop-worthy with 27 wicket at 34. (Ironically, Kye was dropped to make way for some young tyro definitely not called Tom Southerley that the slectors though was worth a cnother crack)

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    @KiwiMurph said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    Did anyone really expect this regime to drop Southee in his final series?

    No, but it doesn't stop us wanting it to happen (or whining that it isn't).

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    @Rapido said in Black Caps vs England Series:

    It's probably hard to find an equivalent run ever in NZ history.

    "He had one of the worst home summers by any Kiwi seam bowler in the country’s 94-year history of hosting tests, using the common metrics of average (runs per wicket) and strike rate (balls per wicket).

    Cricinfo’s Statsguru makes it easy to find a list of New Zealand seamers who have bowled at least 60 overs across at least four innings during any given season.

    That gives you a group of 177 bowler-seasons, from Ted Badcock in 1929 through to Southee, Henry and Will O’Rourke in 2023-24.

    Southee’s average of 71.33 this summer was the third-worst mark and his strike rate of 127.1 was the sixth-worst mark."

    That is from prior to latest test.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350209891/breaking-down-black-caps-captain-tim-southees-summer

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    We are bowling.

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    Is Young in ? Santner ?

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