Australia v India
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I think the talk of the demise of Australian cricket is way of the mark.
There is enough in SS to bring through and there is some outstanding young talent
coming through the U/19 and U/17 programs like
Steve Hogan rated very highly in QLd as a batsmen
Oliver Peake from victoria another batsmen
Tom Campbell from Qld bstsmen
Addison Sherrif Nsw pace bowling allrounder
Simon Budge from WA batsmen -
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
I don't think the public criticism in Australia is a surprise, it's been coming. We've played relatively poorly in every home series going back to the last Ashes in 2021. Dropped games we should have won.
People know that it's been a long time between drinks for our top order. The fact that there doesn't seem to be a logical next man up is the only thing saving Marnus. Uzzie hasn't scored a hundred in forever and retirement will be knocking on the door if he can't turn that around.
If we lose the second test it will be really interesting to see what can be done, not for this series but for the Ashes next year. I can't see them dropping all of Marnus, Ussie and Smith but there will be a case for it.
So Smith on 17* at the moment has plenty to prove. Get 40-odd and he keeps the wolves from the door for at least the next few weeks. But he goes before that and the drums will start to beat...
The production line from the late 90s right up until the 2010s seemed endless. One sensational player would replace another with minimal disruption, particularly in the batting department.
I think that's true but it didn't go as late as you suggest. We've been devoid of new batting talent for a considerable while. Marnus has been good but he's not an all time great. Travis Head could get there but it's taken him a while to get there. Likewise Marsh.
We're a long way from where we were with the Shield where you had guys like Brad Hodge, Michael Bevan, Stuart Law averaging 50, 60-odd and not getting a gig.
Now anyone feels like they are two or three hundreds away from a call-up.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
So Smith on 17* at the moment has plenty to prove. Get 40-odd and he keeps the wolves from the door for at least the next few weeks. But he goes before that and the drums will start to beat...
.... Aaaand he knicks off to Siraj for 17. Never looked comfortable.
Does he ever when he first arrives at the crease?
I don’t think the drums will beat that loud given Australian cricket and the commentariat fluffers to back the old boys club. Been going on for years and Smith will be able to say when he’s had enough.
I think for Smith that's true. But Marnus is an interesting case. Always a bit weird, both on and off the field. Alpha ex-player types have never warmed to him, so I'm unsure he will get the benefit of the doubt in the same way Smith and Khawaja will.
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@ACT-Crusader said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
So Smith on 17* at the moment has plenty to prove. Get 40-odd and he keeps the wolves from the door for at least the next few weeks. But he goes before that and the drums will start to beat...
.... Aaaand he knicks off to Siraj for 17. Never looked comfortable.
Does he ever when he first arrives at the crease?
I don’t think the drums will beat that loud given Australian cricket and the commentariat fluffers to back the old boys club. Been going on for years and Smith will be able to say when he’s had enough.
I think for Smith that's true. But Marnus is an interesting case. Always a bit weird, both on and off the field. Alpha ex-player types have never warmed to him, so I'm unsure he will get the benefit of the doubt in the same way Smith and Khawaja will.
Marnus aye I coached him at Qld u/17 and U/19 level always has been different.
One habit we had to get out of him he would commentate every ball he faced.
It did piss the bowlers off no end,
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Haha that's great. What a weirdo.
In cricket as in all things, we will tolerate weirdness if you are successful. But if that turns then not having the 'good bloke' factor on your side can hasten your demise.
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Haha that's great. What a weirdo.
In cricket as in all things, we will tolerate weirdness if you are successful. But if that turns then not having the 'good bloke' factor on your side can hasten your demise.
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
Yeah he is different
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
Never stopped Watto
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
We're a long way from where we were with the Shield where you had guys like Brad Hodge, Michael Bevan, Stuart Law averaging 50, 60-odd and not getting a gig.
Didn't Boof Lehmann have something like 10,000 FC runs before getting a test gig?
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
Fun while it lasted. Demise is not far away
I’m hoping India roll the next 4 wickets tonight and then I’m sure we will hear the standard 4 day tests debate that gets aired every year when the Aussies beat would be touring sides in 4 days
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
Never stopped Watto
Well it didn’t help his cause either, did it.
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
Never stopped Watto
Well it didn’t help his cause either, did it.
59 tests. 58 T20s. 190 ODIs.
Not bad for concrete shoes
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
Never stopped Watto
Well it didn’t help his cause either, did it.
59 tests. 58 T20s. 190 ODIs.
Not bad for concrete shoes
Watson was one of the most overrated test players ever
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
Never stopped Watto
Well it didn’t help his cause either, did it.
59 tests. 58 T20s. 190 ODIs.
Not bad for concrete shoes
Watson was one of the most overrated test players ever
REVIEW
oh, you were right
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
Never stopped Watto
Well it didn’t help his cause either, did it.
59 tests. 58 T20s. 190 ODIs.
Not bad for concrete shoes
Watson was one of the most overrated test players ever
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That's a hiding.
India win by 295 runs
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@antipodean said in Australia v India:
That's a hiding.
India win by 295 runs
4 day tests in Aus usually don't end in Australia being humiliated. Well done India.
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Also doing dumb things like reviewing when he's plumb last night don't help your cause.
Never stopped Watto
Well it didn’t help his cause either, did it.
59 tests. 58 T20s. 190 ODIs.
Not bad for concrete shoes
Watson was one of the most overrated test players ever
Hard disagree. I think he was actually underrated.
In Australia he was a punchline who was never truly appreciated. An opener who could generally get past the new ball and average 40 odd? We yearn for that.
Now all he’s remembered for is reviewing the odd plumb LB. Not his supreme eye and ability to shore up our batting lineup in a relatively unstable period.
And then you have his bowling ability, which again was underrated. Despite injury limitations he was the perfect fifth option who could tie down an end while the quicks had a rest.
And then in the shorter forms he was a master.
I’m not saying he’s an all time great but in Australia I don’t think he has the respect he deserves.
