All Blacks 2024
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Interestingly I was talking to a mate about Razor, and he has a mate (haha yeah I know, mate of mate) with significant first hand experience of Razor in a professional capacity. He doesn't rate his vaunted coaching ability or his man management skills. It's one person's opinion of course, but it feels quite plausible based on this season's events. He had the whole buffet that is NZs top rugby talent to fuse into a quality team, and we got what we got, a pupu platter of inconsistency. I believe we can do better
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
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Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
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Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
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Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
The attack pattern is rubbish.
Too many tight forwards involved with crappy backdoor passing and the inside backs running sideways.
How many times did we see Jordie on the crash ball this year?
He was very effective in that role when he an Ioane first started working together but it's not part of the current game plan.
There's virtually zero players running straight and drawing and passing. This is a basic fundamental of the game which is excluded from the current attack plan
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i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Robertson to up ante on selecting overseas players for All Blacks
The All Blacks coach, reflecting on his first year in charge, said he will make a submission to the NZ Rugby board about changing the selection criteria.
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Fuck no I am dead against picking overseas players.It will be the death nail of our competitions imo.
If players want to come back no problems but play in our competitions to be selected.
It sounds like Razor wants to keep Cane ffs.
Stupid idea Razor get your shit together and promote the players we have playing locally and players who return to play locally.Imagine the state of Super Rugby if it happened.
We'd be having the likes of Peter Umaga-Jensen, Dallas McLeod and Angus Ta'avao as our headline acts for the comp.
It would ruin all our competitions and probably effect revenue massively.
Yet fans on social media will applaud the decision to let overseas players play for the ABs, then moan about the lack of big names playing super rugby.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
Yeah I think it is if you read Wayne Smiths comments he has been driving this fast skill set all over the place game instead of doing some hard yards.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
Yeah I think it is if you read Wayne Smiths comments he has been driving this fast skill set all over the place game instead of doing some hard yards.
He's past it, like many of the players
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
i feel like every coach, when they first get an International gig, tries the old flat backline. And then rissoles it after a year when they realise they can't make it work.
Is it Sir Wayne Smiths influence? He seems like an idealist. He said he despises mauls and he's the head of performance and Razor's mentor. There's nothing pragmatic about our current attack and it's very predictable.
Yeah I think it is if you read Wayne Smiths comments he has been driving this fast skill set all over the place game instead of doing some hard yards.
He's past it, like many of the players
I agree. Teams only need to mess up the breakdown for it to become ineffective.
You're relying heavily on succeeding with it by doing it off set phase.
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i think it is hilarious that DMac made the team of the year (not a decision i would have made but that's not the point) but our genius coaching group dropped him to the bench for an absolute spud who, all year, has made the team worse.
BB is basically living off burning an English prop in the first test of the year (go look who threw the pass to put him outside his man as well).
It is fucking infuriating.
But hey, the coaches and all the media seem to think he's amazing so what the fuck do we know aye?
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
The All Blacks coach, reflecting on his first year in charge, said he will make a submission to the NZ Rugby board about changing the selection criteria.
Or 2004 where we transformed the team in ONE EOYT by leaving behind Spencer/Marshall and a bunch of experienced MUST HAVE players.
And the next gen took over and dominated the world.
hmm interesting - this made me remember how Razor exited the AB's. He was the incumbent Mitch didn't take him on EOYT so he could get in great shape for next season as he'd have a heavy workload. Then he never got picked again. Suffice to say Mitch was never going to be on his xmas card list. (sauce: completely random convo with Razor in a lift somewhere in Paris back in my I was overseas days still remember how filthy he was).
wonder if that baggage is impacting his selection thinking..
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
And when DMac comes on he ends up at fullback so doesn't have as many touches of the ball, unless BB shovels out a wide pass with no space to operate in.
That’s the part that is driving me nuts.
Dmac start at 10 then finish at 15 sounds ok. Heaps of touches as we play fast early then he moves out to 15 with Barrett on, I can understand.
Start Barrett then move him to 15 and Dmac to 10 to play fast for the final 20, ok, not my choice but I see it.
Start Barrett and keep him there for 80, with Dmac getting 20 minutes at 15, to do what? He’s been creating for others and I guess we have to stop that.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
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Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
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Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
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Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
Our backline attack has completely stagnated since having BB at 10.
I may seem obsessed with this notion since it's all I've posted recently..but it's infuriating to see something eventuate that seemed so obvious from the outside.
Beauden has never looked good against the rush. He has a horrible passing game, he doesn't run flat to draw in defenders and free the outside backs. He telegraphs his passes and shovels it on, it's just trash. And our attack greatly suffers.
Amazing how we were consistently getting around rush defense with Dmac at 10 (someone with an actual passing game), and it's suddenly disappeared again with BB back.
I'm just in disbelief he is still getting picked to start at 10.
Honestly he must be the most charming person on the planet off the field to keep getting picked.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Interestingly I was talking to a mate about Razor, and he has a mate (haha yeah I know, mate of mate) with significant first hand experience of Razor in a professional capacity. He doesn't rate his vaunted coaching ability or his man management skills. It's one person's opinion of course, but it feels quite plausible based on this season's events. He had the whole buffet that is NZs top rugby talent to fuse into a quality team, and we got what we got, a pupu platter of inconsistency. I believe we can do better
His record is all that matters. Can’t be beaten. This first year at test level was ok but not great. 2nd year will be interesting.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
someone with an actual passing game
But BB has the best kick pass game in the country.
Wouldn’t even say that - practices the most
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@kev said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Interestingly I was talking to a mate about Razor, and he has a mate (haha yeah I know, mate of mate) with significant first hand experience of Razor in a professional capacity. He doesn't rate his vaunted coaching ability or his man management skills. It's one person's opinion of course, but it feels quite plausible based on this season's events. He had the whole buffet that is NZs top rugby talent to fuse into a quality team, and we got what we got, a pupu platter of inconsistency. I believe we can do better
His record is all that matters. Can’t be beaten. This first year at test level was ok but not great. 2nd year will be interesting.
Didn't you hear, apparently SR record doesn't count 😉. His record this year has been average.
So I agree next year is huge. We won't be complaining if he runs the table next year, or close. If he muddles along again, questions should be answered that his team trimmed , just like Fozzie -
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2024:
I am trying to work out what's gone so wrong with our backline.
These are my guesses.
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Aging players are kept in the squad when once upon a time two bad performances would have led to the selectors hitting the ejector seat button.
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Some of our backs ain't fast enough.
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Our backs ain't spending enough time together on the training paddock working on combinations, attacking angles and the timing of passes.
I'd welcome other suggestions.
No 3 - I look at skill sets of players. Reiko just doesn’t execute consistently - his catch and pass % are too low. My perception is that it’s mostly around him that it breaks down. Tough position in today’s game with the rush D.
If you add BB kicking the ball away, most of our issues are in the backs.
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