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@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Right on halftime Vaaii gets pinged for side entry at maul time. I didn't hear him get a warning to get out?

Doesn't need a warning. He joined wrong, thus penalty.

But compare to incident in second half when Angus kept calling "no" to Pom who was blatantly playing the ball when he shouldn't. He should have just penalised him. There is no requirement to warn.

This happened A LOT especially at ruck time where he warned England but PK'd us immediately.

@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Also I have realised today that coaches don't do anything.
The way the ABs play depend on who is picked not who is coach. DMac is 10? Fast fast, lots of passing lots of phases. BB is 10? Kick everything always.

Foster? Robertson? Doesn't matter. Today looked like 2022 all over again.

Also, coaches don't make subs. 7&8 were having poor games, so what do we do? Leave them on for 80 and not even try to do anything different.

You can point to the scoreboard and say it worked, if you want to ignore how much luck that took.

Credit to England's defence? They let in 3 tries and it should have been more if it weren't for our fuckups.

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

I'm sorry but that was an awful game by the officials. Gus basically coached them through rucks, tackles etc. He was so inconsitant it was beyond farcicle.

farce-icicle? A chilly farcical kick to the spine?
I like it.

Jesus, is that how it came out? Hands faster than my brain or some such.

@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

How many if Telea's games have been on the right wing? Wonder if he is more comfortable there.

I've been harping on about this for yonks. He's a much better right wing. He's also right foot no? So makes more sense.

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@canefan what if, they somehow manage to win the next 2 playing so ugly...learning to win ugly will surely lead to some 'prettier' wins down the road?

@Jet wants us to win by 75 every test. Whilst I do share the frustration, we're not even one year in. The very same people gave Foz 4 years.

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@canefan said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Machpants said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

On that I'll disciplined PoS display, Ireland sand France will chew us up and spit us out. But hopefully we've learnt...
... Yeah right

I dunno. Discipline was utter shite and arguably the worst this year, but that was a huge improvement in the last 40 minutes compared to recent crap served up - we didn't actually go completely to pieces and played really well for at least 10-15 minutes.

#slight sarcasm alert#

Back handed compliments. The bar is so low for the ABs right now....

Our lineout is crap, leadership is crap, composure is crap, discipline is crap, inside backs crap
Still cant wait for the next game. Bring it on.

For the most part the line-out was good.

I would like our captain/leadership to be more assertive.

Composure, well they came through pretty well. They shelved the stupid shit around the 60th min mark and won the game in the last 15.

Discipline, copping more than their fair share of shit calls but they have to make adjustments and recognise they're io against it.

Insides need a shift in game plan, 12 is shutting them down so they need to counter that.

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

But also came close to blowing that game wide open. Ratima gave them the "in".

Exactly my point. We threw the opportunity away. Again.

Would you rather be the ABs creating opportunities or England creating none? No one is saying it was flawless. Pretty fucking sure we're all frustrated AF with all the missed opportunities we don't finish. But we scored three tries, finished the game stronger, and win despite ourselves. England fluffed kicks at the end.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

To add to the missed drop goal and penalty shot, Ford's defence on Telea's second try was poor as well

Na, the ABs were just lucky.

@Tim said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Did ALB's card stay as a yellow?

Yeah but its on report.

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Or maybe they took that big step forward by winning the game in the last 15 minutes.

We won against England in the last 15 minutes in Robertson's first game. Now getting back to that level is a big step forward? Some progress eh?

That said, it was a plus compared to the 2nd half clueless drivel that Robertson and his team have served up so far this year..

Change your name to Captain "Fozzy Fanboi" Miserable. We just won a test at Twickenham. Have been harping on all season that we can't score in the last 20.

Mate, we came close to blowing it in the last 5 minutes by the usual poor discipline, decision making and leadership.

But playing well for 10-15minutes in the last 60 is a huge improvement for this team and its coaches, I'll give you that.

But also came close to blowing that game wide open. Ratima gave them the "in".

@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

How the fuck did England lose that?

Because on the whole, we were better.

3 tries (created) to one (stolen).

England had about 25mins on top.

We had the rest.

Those giving it the "we are useless" were also saying we did not have the ability, the mental fortitude to come back. Well guess what? We did.

Needed two scores. We got them.

Needed to disrupt a dg attempt. Reserve scrum stands up.

Completely different if that dg goes over... but it didn’t.

Much, much to work on. Intelligence would be the first. But let's take the win.

One hundy. No it wasn't perfect but everything these RazorH8ers have been saying we need to do to win, we did.

By accident rather than design.

This wasn’t Nonu putting Dagg into the corner in Soweto.

This was us fluking a win by a rizla paper.

Guys come on.

England lost that. We didn’t win it.

Oh fuck off. Go watch the Kiwis. They just beat England at Twickenham, 3 tries to an intercept, bench added impact, we outscored them in the last 15 mins.

I come in peace Lats, no personal animous from my side.

But I’m fucking frothing over what I saw today.

The team is clueless.

Tell me what we were at out there?

Does Beaudy keep his place? Does DMAC come in?

How do we assess what we seen?

My contention is we won in spite of ourselves.

This is the fucking Allblacks mate….

Let’s have some parliamentary procedure here as Chris Eubank would say.

We both watched the same game. Intercepts, knock-ons, penalties, some inauspicious officiating. Despite all that, we still win. None of you predicted we would.

How do we assess that? We say, we clearly still have a shit tonne to work on BUT, we know we can score points at the back end of a game, when its needed, while not playing to McCaw's team's standard.

@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@kpkanz

On paper you’ve got your win, but England had a kick to win with 90 seconds on the clock and bottled it.

Let’s get real here.

England weren't even close if Smith doesn't intercept.

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Or maybe they took that big step forward by winning the game in the last 15 minutes.

We won against England in the last 15 minutes in Robertson's first game. Now getting back to that level is a big step forward? Some progress eh?

That said, it was a plus compared to the 2nd half clueless drivel that Robertson and his team have served up so far this year..

Change your name to Captain "Fozzy Fanboi" Miserable. We just won a test at Twickenham. Have been harping on all season that we can't score in the last 20.

@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

How the fuck did England lose that?

Because on the whole, we were better.

3 tries (created) to one (stolen).

England had about 25mins on top.

We had the rest.

Those giving it the "we are useless" were also saying we did not have the ability, the mental fortitude to come back. Well guess what? We did.

Needed two scores. We got them.

Needed to disrupt a dg attempt. Reserve scrum stands up.

Completely different if that dg goes over... but it didn’t.

Much, much to work on. Intelligence would be the first. But let's take the win.

One hundy. No it wasn't perfect but everything these RazorH8ers have been saying we need to do to win, we did.

By accident rather than design.

This wasn’t Nonu putting Dagg into the corner in Soweto.

This was us fluking a win by a rizla paper.

Guys come on.

England lost that. We didn’t win it.

Oh fuck off. Go watch the Kiwis. They just beat England at Twickenham, 3 tries to an intercept, bench added impact, we outscored them in the last 15 mins.

@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

How the fuck did England lose that?

Because on the whole, we were better.

3 tries (created) to one (stolen).

England had about 25mins on top.

We had the rest.

Those giving it the "we are useless" were also saying we did not have the ability, the mental fortitude to come back. Well guess what? We did.

Needed two scores. We got them.

Needed to disrupt a dg attempt. Reserve scrum stands up.

Completely different if that dg goes over... but it didn’t.

Much, much to work on. Intelligence would be the first. But let's take the win.

I’m sorry booboo but no.

I can’t unsee what I saw.

Ford kicks it a yard to the left and we are punching walls.

Ruthlessness should also come from us, the fans.

That was not good enough. By a long way.

It’s revisionist to whitewash this.

From my barstool Razor is a fucking chancer.

A couple of passes stick and its a hiding. England missed some chances, so did we.

@akan004 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@akan004 said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Will take the win but it's just going to cover up the massive cracks in this team. We have not progressed at all from the start of the year.

Or maybe they took that big step forward by winning the game in the last 15 minutes.

They lost their discipline again in the last two minutes where discipline had to be paramount, and were just lucky that England missed the kick at goal. I doubt that they have learned anything..

And England were lucky we knocked the ball on about 300 times. A couple of passes stick, and its a 16 point win.

@booboo said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

How the fuck did England lose that?

Because on the whole, we were better.

3 tries (created) to one (stolen).

England had about 25mins on top.

We had the rest.

Those giving it the "we are useless" were also saying we did not have the ability, the mental fortitude to come back. Well guess what? We did.

Needed two scores. We got them.

Needed to disrupt a dg attempt. Reserve scrum stands up.

Completely different if that dg goes over... but it didn’t.

Much, much to work on. Intelligence would be the first. But let's take the win.

One hundy. No it wasn't perfect but everything these RazorH8ers have been saying we need to do to win, we did.

@Jet said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

My fucking heart

Listen….that's was a farce.

We know what we saw.

Three tries to one, 10 points in the last 15 minutes. That's what we saw.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

How good was Tosi

This. I was packing it when he came on and there were a bunch of scrums. he was massive.

I'm sorry but that was an awful game by the officials. Gus basically coached them through rucks, tackles etc. He was so inconsitant it was beyond farcicle. HOWEVER, we still need to recognise we aren't getting the rub of the green and plan accordingly.