Franks and Moody were a liability in the first half - starting them was a mistake. Reihana is a better 1st than Hohepa. Aumua just looks slow - maybe it’s what’s happening inside. I think this game is all on the coach.
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Crusaders kicking game has been poor.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@Winger my understanding of the deal was they had actions in growing the revenue too, it wasn't a straight equity injection (we give you some money and you give us some profit later), silverlake sold the idea of tapping into new revenue streams they had access too...and we havent seen any of that
Always a big issue. The Neoclassical economics model is all about selling ownership for investment. It’s whether the investment is nothing more than finance you could have got from a bank. NZ’s state owned asset sales perfect example.
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@Duluth said in NZR review:
@kev said in NZR review:
In all of this I haven’t heard what is specifically wrong?
You didn’t read the governance review from last year? You may not agree with it but there were many specific criticisms
“That couldn’t be fixed by other mechanisms”. A lot of what is said about parochialism is bang on and does nothing to advance NZ Rugby - the big unions have a lot to answer for here. But the word independent is on rinse and repeat throughout the report - it doesn’t exist.
I note though that it suggests the independent directors should attend some club rugby games. Helpful.
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In all of this I haven’t heard what is specifically wrong? …that couldn’t be fixed by other mechanisms.
Reminds me of the 1980s when NZ started its fire sale of its infrastructure assets to foreign owners who were going to bring expertise and invest. What did they do? They levered up the assets with debt (not equity), paid themselves dividends, sold the shares for capital gains, and moved on. I struggle to see where we benefited - except we no longer own the assets. Private equity is an extractive industry and public companies are focussed on short term profitability - giving lip service to everything else. Why would you want a bunch of narcissist’s (likely) running a game that’s been built off the back of volunteers and amateurs over many years?
That’s why I am totally against the idea that rugby is run by “independent directors”. Retain ownership and governance of the game within the traditional democratic ownership structures and use expertise to assist the board and operations.
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@nzzp said in NZR review:
@Bovidae said in NZR review:
The New Zealand Rugby (NZR) Board has today publicly released a proposal to change the sport’s leadership structure and create generational change for the game.
Board Chair Dame Patsy Reddy has presented the Board’s Governance model to NZR’s voting members, the 26 Provincial Unions and the New Zealand Māori Rugby Board (NZMRB).
thanks for that.
Reads like a classic consulting document. Basically the words are 'deep knowledge of rugby' but the process screams non-rugby people all the way.
Made me think about who owns NZR. I think it's the PU - all 27 (26?) of them. There's a strong argument for a split between pro and non-pro; leave pro to do what they want with Super, ABs, etc, make a call on NPC one way or another, and then administer most of the game for the benefit of the players and unions.
Professional should be there as the shop window generating funds for the rest of the participants. NPC is literally there to facilitate PU putting teams together and playing each other.
Really not super impressed (pun not intended)
I fully understand employing specialists but you never give up your spot on the board.
What I am hearing now is the desire to have a NRL type Super rugby season - presumably with teams from Japan, America etc and maybe another NZ team - removing our tiered competition structure, and paying the elite rugby players more ( John Kirwan, Jeff Wilson ) At that point the game would truely be over for Provincial rugby. It’s a dangerous game. I am not sure that NZRL is better off now than before the NRL took over the running of their game.
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@Winger said in NZR review:
@Tim said in NZR review:
Let her go ahead and do it. Would she be a big loss? Although these quota's might be a factor
And this doesn't seem unreasonable. 3 out of 9. Why is this such a big issue
The Herald understands that Reddy, not for the first time, told the provincial unions that if they continue to push alternative proposals that seek to maintain at least three New Zealand Rugby board members with at least two years’ experience on a provincial board, she could not support it and would, therefore, resign from her post.
Agree. What is this independence BS? Why would you ever expect Provinces to step away from being on the board of the NZRFU? It’s not like they are the executives running the day to day. It would be like asking your major shareholders not to be on the board.
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@antipodean partly true but not completely as provincial rugby provides a much broader base. But that in any case only deals with the elite level of the game. It says that provincial rugby and club rugby in the places where people live don’t matter? If that’s the case the All Blacks will no longer represent NZ they will just be another team that plays for money.
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@antipodean said in NZR review:
@kev said in NZR review:
@antipodean Good on them.Take away provincial unions, club rugby and NZRFU have nothing. Not sure what NZRPA’s problem is? The austerity mantra of cutting everything and selling assets to the private sector for short term game is driven by flawed neoclassical economic theory. It starts at central government but is insidious pervading every aspect of our lives for the worse.
I'm not sold that continuing to spend money on something that loses money is good for long term security.
It’s like running a business where someone else builds the roads and trains your people. Just artificial boundaries, externalising the “other” costs and telling yourself you make all the money.
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@antipodean Good on them.Take away provincial unions, club rugby and NZRFU have nothing. Not sure what NZRPA’s problem is? The austerity mantra of cutting everything and selling assets to the private sector for short term game is driven by flawed neoclassical economic theory. It starts at central government but is insidious pervading every aspect of our lives for the worse.
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It’s a really good choice. What I hope to see is improvement from year to year, development of players to support that, building a strong squad and culture. Good news for 2024, with Corey Evans as well.
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@KiwiMurph No Board is independent and expertise is subjective. The bias of the independent Board will be determined by its makeup. If I was the Provincial Unions I would be all over this as well. This is power battle between interest groups.
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Great result for Kiwis.
Some non calls from ref and missed forward passes by Kangaroos were dreadful. But no impact on game.
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@KiwiMurph the Boks chase and compete on kicks better than we do. Though there were some cases where they were leaping into the space and contacting our defenders in the air. One case where Richie landed on top of Kolbe who was then injured was a clear penalty to us not given.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@barbarian why wouldnt it be expected to be the showpeice of the game, it is right now the pinnacle in rugby, therefore, in theory it will be shown to the widest audience possible, why wouldnt you want it to be a showpeice and not descend into a whistle-or-card fest?
So I think there is nothing wrong with wanting it to be a spectacle, but at the end of the day, winning is the goal, however you win, you win.
The problem is that so much of the rugby below it is dire as well. The RWC is just a reflection of that.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I am ok with reviewing scoring phases as the game has stopped and you get the decision right. I like that cause it gives the ref the get of jail card free. If they are clear on the number of phases. To balance that against penalties etc then giving captains one or 2 appeals per game would allow for evenness.
But having the TMO interfere with live rugby to go back for cards is the big problem. If we started with the mindset that they are referrals anyway and can be cited after the match then they just go away.
The NRL have done this to great success.
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@Winger yep the decision not to red card Kolisi was totally inconsistent. Ardie didn’t dip and yet Kolisi got him flush on the face, with Ardie reeling back from the contact. The fact that Kolisi bent over slightly actually meant he led with his head into the contact. Incredibly dangerous.
We all know that rugby has become boring card lottery and that the mugs that run the game from Europe are incompetent. This is at every level not just WC finals.
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@His-Bobness even us diehards struggle with todays game.
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