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@canefan said in Worst All Black RWC exits:

@geebee said in Worst All Black RWC exits:

I have to rate 07 as worse than 99 based on the fact that in 99 the All Blacks just ran into a team that played like they were on roids in the 2nd half. They just had too much pace. Im quite happy to credit the French that day. It was like Nantes 86 but worse.lol

All of them are pretty bad,its like reliving going to the dentist.

Hold on a minute, it's not that bad!

Well that is a tad hyperbolic to be fair,and its easier to accept as you age. I put the last semi exit down to the ferocious Poms and how well they played. Theres been instances of AB teams exiting down to how badly they played but this recent one,im more accepting.

I have to rate 07 as worse than 99 based on the fact that in 99 the All Blacks just ran into a team that played like they were on roids in the 2nd half. They just had too much pace. Im quite happy to credit the French that day. It was like Nantes 86 but worse.lol

All of them are pretty bad,its like reliving going to the dentist.

overall and p4p?Give your reasons why. This will test your sporting knowledge.

@chimoaus said in Do we need a World cup?:

WC is fine and is a showpiece event. The issue is the intervening years are now pretty much pointless bar the BIL.

Currently none of the non Rugby Championship games mean anything, the NH sides usually send their shit sides and I never feel they really want to be here. When we head north the players have travelled a million miles and played so many minutes it can be hard for them to get up for it.

I really thought the League system was a great idea that should have been fleshed out. Perhaps they should have had it in between WC much like the Euro in soccer.

I don't have the answers but the current system is not working in between WCs.

Its not working because of the WC. We need a global season.

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

NZ in 2019: played 11 won 8 lost 2 drew 1 (82%)
SA in 2019: played 12 won 10 l lost 1 drew 1 (88%)

Arselicking the boks. Add the results of 2016 17 and 18 as well. You know full well you cant get a comprehensive statistical analysis of home and away results in 1 year,its not physically possible to play everyone.

No need to be crass.

Just pointing out that if you try hard enough you can find a metric that has the ABs as the best.

But in terms of this World Cup we're not. We lost the semi final.

We lost.

Suck.

It.

Up.

It took me the the 95 RWC to accept the 91 RWC.

I'm kind of guessing you don't extend back that far?

If you do I'm surprised you've learned nothing in 28 years.

I remember the Maori tour of the UK in 82. I played rugby but not for that long,i was finished by the time i was 23 mostly cos its boring to play when you dont get the ball and work reasons. Its not even my first love,powerlifting is. But ive been watching the ABs since the days of Allan Hewson Stu Wilson and Bernie Fraser. Got you trumped. Move along.

@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

@canefan worst sort of woke drivel. Pick people for any job based on their ability, not sex or race.

like that happens in the real world.

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

NZ in 2019: played 11 won 8 lost 2 drew 1 (82%)
SA in 2019: played 12 won 10 l lost 1 drew 1 (88%)

Arselicking the boks. Add the results of 2016 17 and 18 as well. You know full well you cant get a comprehensive statistical analysis of home and away results in 1 year,its not physically possible to play everyone.

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@Kirwan said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

As for SA having an easier knockout run this time:

They beat all three winners of the other Pools in consecutive weekends.

I buy the 2007 run was less challenging than some, but not this time.

Our perceptions of current Japan and Wales need to re-read somewhat I think.

Just because they didn't beat us (who lost to the losers of the final) doesn't mean they had it easy.

lol we d give the Japs a hiding. We smacked Wales around with ease. Have you been watching at all? Im all for giving the opposition credit where its due,but this is too far man. SA got lucky,we should of thrown the pool game if we knew how it was going to go.

We didn't play Japan. So we didn't get that option.

We lost a match that counted.

SA didn't.

Can I also suggest you stop being so patronising?

Share your opinion by all means. Even start a hashtag (#notmyworldchamps). But just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're right.

So you are saying a test match and a good test victory against South Africa doesnt count? More reason to get rid of this current format in favour of something that makes all test matches and test caps meaningful again.

Just because we didnt play against Japan,that all of a sudden makes them good somehow? I have a fair idea what the historical results are vs Japan,they are easybeats.

Reeks of sour grapes to suggest getting rid of an entire format because we lost.

Well sorta maybe,but with a league style format based on home and away and point differential theres no guarantee that the ABs would win that either. Its much fairer though. It eliminates the vagaries of knock out tournaments and a more worthy winner based on performance over a longer period of time is found. It does away with northern hemisphere teams attempting to send weaker squads south so its a win for the paying public.

I don't disagree with a lot of that. Hence why I think having both would be good.

But knockout footy is what the World Cup is about. We've dealt with it for 32 years.

South Africa arent true world champions in my book,they are World cup winners. Theres a difference. In order to assess who the best team is,you would draw conclusions based over a longer period of time than a few weeks. A team could lose 50% of its games over the intervening 4 years between cups then make a run having an inferior draw or a biased ref. Nah thats not a champion.

First bold: Semantics. But correct.

Second bold: let's look at World Rankings then...

Rankings are all shite too,need i remind you Ireland and Wales were numero uno for periods of time leading into this cup and they certainly didnt live up to their rate. Its winning test match% and home and away that counts.

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@Kirwan said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

As for SA having an easier knockout run this time:

They beat all three winners of the other Pools in consecutive weekends.

I buy the 2007 run was less challenging than some, but not this time.

Our perceptions of current Japan and Wales need to re-read somewhat I think.

Just because they didn't beat us (who lost to the losers of the final) doesn't mean they had it easy.

lol we d give the Japs a hiding. We smacked Wales around with ease. Have you been watching at all? Im all for giving the opposition credit where its due,but this is too far man. SA got lucky,we should of thrown the pool game if we knew how it was going to go.

We didn't play Japan. So we didn't get that option.

We lost a match that counted.

SA didn't.

Can I also suggest you stop being so patronising?

Share your opinion by all means. Even start a hashtag (#notmyworldchamps). But just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're right.

So you are saying a test match and a good test victory against South Africa doesnt count? More reason to get rid of this current format in favour of something that makes all test matches and test caps meaningful again.

Just because we didnt play against Japan,that all of a sudden makes them good somehow? I have a fair idea what the historical results are vs Japan,they are easybeats.

Reeks of sour grapes to suggest getting rid of an entire format because we lost.

Well sorta maybe,but with a league style format based on home and away and point differential theres no guarantee that the ABs would win that either. Its much fairer though. It eliminates the vagaries of knock out tournaments and a more worthy winner based on performance over a longer period of time is found. It does away with northern hemisphere teams attempting to send weaker squads south so its a win for the paying public.

I don't disagree with a lot of that. Hence why I think having both would be good.

But knockout footy is what the World Cup is about. We've dealt with it for 32 years.

South Africa arent true world champions in my book,they are World cup winners. Theres a difference. In order to assess who the best team is,you would draw conclusions based over a longer period of time than a few weeks. A team could lose 50% of its games over the intervening 4 years between cups then make a run having an inferior draw or a biased ref. Nah thats not a champion.

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

As for SA having an easier knockout run this time:

They beat all three winners of the other Pools in consecutive weekends.

I buy the 2007 run was less challenging than some, but not this time.

Our perceptions of current Japan and Wales need to re-read somewhat I think.

Just because they didn't beat us (who lost to the losers of the final) doesn't mean they had it easy.

lol we d give the Japs a hiding. We smacked Wales around with ease. Have you been watching at all? Im all for giving the opposition credit where its due,but this is too far man. SA got lucky,we should of thrown the pool game if we knew how it was going to go.

We didn't play Japan. So we didn't get that option.

We lost a match that counted.

SA didn't.

Can I also suggest you stop being so patronising?

Share your opinion by all means. Even start a hashtag (#notmyworldchamps). But just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're right.

So you are saying a test match and a good test victory against South Africa doesnt count? More reason to get rid of this current format in favour of something that makes all test matches and test caps meaningful again.

Just because we didnt play against Japan,that all of a sudden makes them good somehow? I have a fair idea what the historical results are vs Japan,they are easybeats.

Don't get all Cathy Newman on me. You know very well what I'm saying.

We lost a knock out match.

The match in Pool play counted to get us the easier semi final. Which it did.

But there are more paths to the final. One of which SA took.

Clarify for me please: who do you think are the worthy champions? England coz they beat us? Us coz we us and smacked Wales?

I find your bitterness somewhat perplexing.

Youre being ridiculous if you are suggesting we had the easier run,winning that pool match gave us the harder draw.

@Kirwan said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

As for SA having an easier knockout run this time:

They beat all three winners of the other Pools in consecutive weekends.

I buy the 2007 run was less challenging than some, but not this time.

Our perceptions of current Japan and Wales need to re-read somewhat I think.

Just because they didn't beat us (who lost to the losers of the final) doesn't mean they had it easy.

lol we d give the Japs a hiding. We smacked Wales around with ease. Have you been watching at all? Im all for giving the opposition credit where its due,but this is too far man. SA got lucky,we should of thrown the pool game if we knew how it was going to go.

We didn't play Japan. So we didn't get that option.

We lost a match that counted.

SA didn't.

Can I also suggest you stop being so patronising?

Share your opinion by all means. Even start a hashtag (#notmyworldchamps). But just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're right.

So you are saying a test match and a good test victory against South Africa doesnt count? More reason to get rid of this current format in favour of something that makes all test matches and test caps meaningful again.

Just because we didnt play against Japan,that all of a sudden makes them good somehow? I have a fair idea what the historical results are vs Japan,they are easybeats.

Reeks of sour grapes to suggest getting rid of an entire format because we lost.

Well sorta maybe,but with a league style format based on home and away and point differential theres no guarantee that the ABs would win that either. Its much fairer though. It eliminates the vagaries of knock out tournaments and a more worthy winner based on performance over a longer period of time is found. It does away with northern hemisphere teams attempting to send weaker squads south so its a win for the paying public.

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

@geebee said in Do we need a World cup?:

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

As for SA having an easier knockout run this time:

They beat all three winners of the other Pools in consecutive weekends.

I buy the 2007 run was less challenging than some, but not this time.

Our perceptions of current Japan and Wales need to re-read somewhat I think.

Just because they didn't beat us (who lost to the losers of the final) doesn't mean they had it easy.

lol we d give the Japs a hiding. We smacked Wales around with ease. Have you been watching at all? Im all for giving the opposition credit where its due,but this is too far man. SA got lucky,we should of thrown the pool game if we knew how it was going to go.

We didn't play Japan. So we didn't get that option.

We lost a match that counted.

SA didn't.

Can I also suggest you stop being so patronising?

Share your opinion by all means. Even start a hashtag (#notmyworldchamps). But just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you're right.

So you are saying a test match and a good test victory against South Africa doesnt count? More reason to get rid of this current format in favour of something that makes all test matches and test caps meaningful again.

Just because we didnt play against Japan,that all of a sudden makes them good somehow? I have a fair idea what the historical results are vs Japan,they are easybeats.

@booboo said in Do we need a World cup?:

As for SA having an easier knockout run this time:

They beat all three winners of the other Pools in consecutive weekends.

I buy the 2007 run was less challenging than some, but not this time.

Our perceptions of current Japan and Wales need to re-read somewhat I think.

Just because they didn't beat us (who lost to the losers of the final) doesn't mean they had it easy.

lol we d give the Japs a hiding. We smacked Wales around with ease. Have you been watching at all? Im all for giving the opposition credit where its due,but this is too far man. SA got lucky,we should of thrown the pool game if we knew how it was going to go.

How about having a level playing field and a more league style type of competition where the top 8 or 10 teams play each other home and away over the course of say 2 years. This in my mind eliminates travesties such as teams getting easier runs in knock out tourneys,vagaries of skitz French refs,and teams approaching test matches inbetween World cups as "friendlies". What say you?