Secret Super rugby review: Axe a team from Australia and South Africa
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<p>As a side note, number of likes has no relation to the quality of post. Just how many agree with you. </p>
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<p>That's the way it is but not the way it should be. I will try to like a well reasoned post I disagree with more than a poorly reasoned post I agree with. It's only internet points but still. "You're out of your fucking mind" adds nothing to a conversation and I think it was that comment and others which lead to increasingly defensive posts from Hurricane (which didn't add anything to the conversation either).</p> -
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<p>That's the way it is but not the way it should be. I will try to like a well reasoned post I disagree with more than a poorly reasoned post I agree with. It's only internet points but still. "You're out of your fucking mind" adds nothing to a conversation and I think it was that comment and others which lead to increasingly defensive posts from Hurricane (which didn't add anything to the conversation either).</p>
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<p>I was also told that if I didn't like being sworn at that I should join stuff.co.nz's comment section instead because being sworn at was par for the course apparently around here for putting forward a dissenting opinion. That was an off putting message as well.</p>
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<p>The only point I would like to close on is that Hoopah and Pocock are world class number 7s and it should be "normal" on discussion forums to compare world class players against each other. It was not like I was comparing and contrasting Sam Cane with the team captain of Horowhenua. Yet the reaction I was given was as if I had done that by 2-3 posters. </p>
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<p>I will probably be careful before I suggest that an All Black is not the best in the world in his position on this web site in the future. Which is a shame as some people made some very good rejoinders to my position such as the Baron's post and about 10-20 other people who responded in a normal tone.</p> -
<p>Oh bugger off with this "woe is me, you're mean" bullshit. You said you'd pick Hooper and Pocock over Cane any day of the week, a week after Cane comprehensively outplayed the other two. Then when you were called out for it, you doubled down with more stupid shit, saying Cane is a journeyman at best and that the only reason he's rated on here is because we're biased. And then, after all this, you FINALLY posted your grand proof of that, a biased G&G article. That's not a reasoned argument, that's trolling.</p>
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<p>Funnily enough, Cane just outplayed the wonder twins for a second week in a row. Farkin useless, that guy is.</p> -
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<p>Oh bugger off with this "woe is me, you're mean" bullshit. You said you'd pick Hoopah and Pocock over Cane any day of the week, a week after Cane comprehensively outplayed the other two. Then when you were called out for it, you doubled down with more stupid shit, saying Cane is a journeyman at best and that the only reason he's rated on here is because we're biased. And then, after all this, you FINALLY posted your grand proof of that, a biased G&G article. That's not a reasoned argument, that's trolling.</p>
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<p>Funnily enough, Cane just outplayed the wonder twins for a second week in a row. Farkin useless, that guy is.</p>
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<p>This is how it went:</p>
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<p>Hurricane: <strong>Who does New Zealand have - Cane? I would have Hoopah and Pocock ahead of him anyday.</strong> Behind Cane we have Savea who is very good I guess, but then who<br>
Matt Todd...Major LOL. I distinctly remember a super match towards the end where a wellington player ran straight over the top of him and Todd looked like chump.</p>
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<p>Unco: You're out of your fucking mind.</p>
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<p>Hurricane: Well whatever. At least I don't rate players just because they wear a black jersey. Cane is destined to be a journeyman player at best.</p>
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<p>Hurricane resorted to calling Cane a journeyman after your post that he was out of his fucking mind. Is calling someone out of their fucking mind actually calling someone out? It seems more like blatant verbal abuse. Calling someone out from my position would be engaging in a reasoned argument. If Hurricane hadn't been sworn at, then I doubt he would have reacted in that way. You just called him "out of his fucking mind" for suggesting that Pocock or Hooper are better players than Cane. That might be a wrong opinion but I hardly think it is controversial. Would you really have reacted in a different way if he had left out "anyday"?</p> -
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I will probably be careful before I suggest that an All Black is not the best in the world in his position on this web site in the future.</p></blockquote>
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Somewhat unnecessary and I'd suggest childish quip Hurricane (in line with a post by M4L above). I think you could find plenty of Ferners who would agree that our midfielders aren't there yet ... -
<p>If I say I'd pick these players over that player any day of the week, I'm not just saying those players are better than the other one, I'm saying they're far better. That even on that players best day, he still won't be as good as the other two. So yeah, I probably would've reacted differently. Would you have run to his defence if I'd left "fuckng" out of my post?</p>
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<p>And why exactly should I waste my time "engaging in a reasoned argument" with someone who's shown about as much reasoning as Donald Trump? If I see a troll, I'll post a one sentence dismissal because that's all it deserves. If he wants to have a real argument, maybe he should have posted something to actually argue with, not just spewed forth his unreasoned opinions.</p> -
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<p>Somewhat unnecessary and I'd suggest childish quip Hurricane (in line with a post by M4L above). I think you could find plenty of Ferners who would agree that our midfielders aren't there yet ...</p>
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<p>99% of the Ferners would make that concession. A vocal 1% would take offence and get abusive. Someone else can put themselves out there next time. My whole goal for my participation on this web site was just to make the odd interesting comment here and there, I don't really want to be in the spot light so will take some learnings away from this. That is all my post was meant to mean rather than being shot at the Fern. For the record I thought that was his (Malakai's) best night in a black jersey by some distance last night.</p>
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<p>@Unco - I don't really care you had a crack at me. I am not sitting at home throwing darts at a picture with your avatar on it. To be honest on a scale of 1 to 10 it was a 7. I have had way worse said to me and I am sure everyone has. If you come online you risk someone swearing at you. Just seems to be how it works. So yeah - if you don't want to apologise even though in my view you were OTT that is your call. I won't be crying into my beer over the incident. Let's all move on. Who really cares. This is not the biggest incident the Silver Fern has ever seen or will see. Let's end the autopsy. Yes if you had said "You are out of your mind". I probably would have laughed.</p>
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<p>For my part I have noted down don't say "any day" in case that helps.</p>
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<p>Hurricane I'm calling bullshit on any Ferner saying our midfield is settled or close to being the finished product without it being pointed out they are wrong by the rest of us .</p>
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<p>Is Sam Cane the finished product? Is he is as good as he will end up being? Or is he still on a learning curve? I saw some people making points like that last night but a vocal 1% not conceeding any ground about him and insisting he is the best open side in the world already despite this being his first year as a regular starter.</p>
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Is Sam Cane the finished product? Is he is as good as he will end up being? Or is he still on a learning curve? I saw some people making points like that last night but a vocal 1% not conceeding any ground about him and insisting he is the best open side in the world already despite this being his first year as a regular starter.<br><br>
I am generalising from the Cane discussion to a potential discussion on the midfield.</p></blockquote>
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Hey SANZAAR, just bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong with the Super Rugby format. Just add a North American team in the future for your extra $$$ and ignore that rugby fans in the SH don't want more easy to beat teams that dilute the competition and make it less competitive in sporting terms. I don't think anybody is asking for an extra NZ team. We want fewer teams! Especially fewer weak teams. Seriously, what's wrong with these people that they think we will keep on watching if we get more teams at Western Force or Kings level? Are they so absorbed by the business side of Super Rugby that they can't see the rugby side of it anymore? Sheeeeeeeessshhhh
Rant over. I've had a frustrating morning and I can't handle nonsense like this today:
Super Rugby eyes USA franchise as no changes made for 2017
A North American team in Super Rugby? That's more likely to happen than a new team in New Zealand according to SANZAAR boss Andy Marinos. Speaking on the unchanged Super Rugby format for next year, Marinos says any expansion to Super Rugby would come in areas like North America instead of within the current nations. With six franchises in South Africa and five each in Australia and New Zealand, Marinos has said the markets in those countries had reached saturation point and suggested any competition expansion would come in other regions. He said the United States was one area that could be looked at given some strategic investment over a number of years, as happened with Argentina before it entered the Super tournament this year with the Jaguares. Marinos admitted Super Rugby needs to improve its competitiveness, but said the hotly debated conference system which made its debut in 2016 is here to stay. He said the amount of money being spent by English and French teams represented a significant threat to the game in the southern hemisphere. "We've already seen a mass exodus of players out of Africa and Australia and if it continues at the rate it is, I think it could impact all the other markets in SANZAAR." Marinos said.The first year of the conference format drew plenty of criticism, especially around the draw with some sides not playing New Zealand teams and some teams hosting finals against sides which accumulated more points. "The format is going to stay in conferences for the foreseeable future given our geographical challenges we've got," Marinos said in Sydney on Monday. 'It's more 'how do we get the competitiveness in the teams and understanding that it's not easy'. This is a blooming tough competition." The draw for 2017 will be released today.Australian representatives had the chance to air any grievances at this week's two-day meeting of coaches, CEOs and other stakeholders at the 2016 Super Rugby review in Sydney, but were apparently diplomatic. "They were quite quiet to be honest but they understand where we are in the strategy," Marinos said. Several Australian and South African sides struggled in the 2016 Super tournament, which was dominated by New Zealand teams, who took three of the four semi-final placings. "It is a concern. It's been a concern for a while, but that's a national union objective around high performance plans and how they are getting their squads together," Marinos said.Despite some of the negativity surrounding Super Rugby, Marinos was adamant there wasn't much wrong with the product, pointing to viewing figures and game statistics. "I do tend to get the feeling especially in this market [Australia] and New Zealand and probably even in South Africa to a degree, people think the whole thing is broken, but it's not," Marinos said. "It's a damn good competition."http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11713051
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I wouldn't take this seriously until there are reports from outside of Ireland
Revealed: The Irish provinces could be playing Super Rugby giants in a blockbuster new tournament
Exploratory talks have taken place between northern and southern hemisphere rugby bodies regarding a cross-hemisphere tournament that could feature the Iri...
Independent.ie has learned that one of the other options being floated is a cross-hemisphere tournament involving the Super Rugby sides and the Pro12 teams. Although such a competition is only in the early proposal stage, SANZAR - the organisers of Super Rugby - have met with officials from the Pro12 countries to discuss the prospect. A possible format would be the Pro12 sides competing with the South African and Argentine Super Rugby outfits in a northern hemisphere conference, with the Australia, New Zealand and Japanese sides comprising the southern hemisphere conference. Any possible tournament is predicated by the agreement of a global rugby calendar, with changes to the season's structure expected to be announced. -
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@KiwiMurph said in Secret Super rugby review: Axe a team from Australia and South Africa:
Wait - Argie and RSA in the Northern Hemisphere Conference and Japanese in the Southern Hemisphere conference?
That sort of competition structure gives support to the notion that SANZAAR are heavily involved.....
You'd hope they would call them the 'Atlantic' and 'Pacific' divisions or conferences.
As a basic idea, it's not terrible. Can't see it happening though.
